Lulu is a hooker for me. Finch can pick up the role of 7 but needs a good 6 to play alongside him .. maybe you'll promote a young lad through or move Tomkins back to 6

LOL I was thinking that.

I think people are harsh on Foster. As you say, he's an excellent finisher, but I also think he has great composure for a young lad. His howler in the first half was very uncharacteristic IMO; I generally feel quite relaxed when the opposition move or kick the ball over to his wing.

I think we have got to realise that our young players are not the finished yet there is still a lot of improvement to come. Gaskell and Foster probably need another 5kg of muscle with more pace and strength, they have the right temperament and will be better experienced players next season.

This.

The performances that Gaskell, Lomax, Foster et al have put in this year have exceeded most of our expectations, and is money in the bank.

When Gaskell was brought into the team, no-one would have expected him to put in a man of the match performance in a GF eliminator against Wigan.

One of our 'unfinished articles' may well find themselves with a Harry Sunderland trophy this time next week.

Exciting times ahead in terms of the development of these lads.

If Leon Pryce is fit, does he play?

For me yes. But only on the Bench and only if he 100%

I think Jamie foster is the weak link at saints at the moment. He's suspect under kicks and his defence is terrible at the moment. He defo needs to get his feet back on the ground and get back to playing the rugby he played at the back end of last year and the middle of this year.

I expect Leeds to put a lot of pressure on him next as he could take Meli's place in losing us grand finals.

Bench.

Lomaskell have earned the shirts.

If I were McD that would be Plan A, B & C.

Quote ="St pete"He's suspect under kicks'" He's not, though. His airshot last night aside, I can't think of many (any?) major mistakes dealing with kicks. He's of huge value to us. Going into a Grand Final with such a consistent kicker (and very handy finisher) is a massive plus. His stats don't compare badly with the guy pretty much considered the best winger we've had in the last 10 years... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 First Wilkin, now Foster. What is it with you and pretty boys?

Quote ="St pete"He's suspect under kicks'" He's not, though. His airshot last night aside, I can't think of many (any?) major mistakes dealing with kicks. He's of huge value to us. Going into a Grand Final with such a consistent kicker (and very handy finisher) is a massive plus. His stats don't compare badly with the guy pretty much considered the best winger we've had in the last 10 years... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 First Wilkin, now Foster. What is it with you and pretty boys?

Totally agree with this, too - the pair have made themselves undroppable.

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A sad indictment of these forums that so called fans resort to this. Anyway, you've clearly demonstrated no resemblance. Bloody eejit....

1 post and your moaning already?

Jeez It was only a joke,I think hes a wizard anyway

Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"He's not, though. His airshot last night aside, I can't think of many (any?) major mistakes dealing with kicks. He's of huge value to us. Going into a Grand Final with such a consistent kicker (and very handy finisher) is a massive plus. His stats don't compare badly with the guy pretty much considered the best winger we've had in the last 10 years... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 First Wilkin, now Foster. What is it with you and pretty boys? '" I wouldn't know they was pretty boys as boys ain't my thing I just feel Jamie is a disaster waiting to happen. I'm not having a dig at him as he's had a good season but at the moment I think he's to cocky and needs bringing down a peg or two and get back to playing rugby. He fumbles a lot of ball and his defence has become very suspect as he's grabbing. His kicking and finishing tho is high class and without Jamie I don't think we'd have finished in the top 5.

Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"He's not, though. His airshot last night aside, I can't think of many (any?) major mistakes dealing with kicks. He's of huge value to us. Going into a Grand Final with such a consistent kicker (and very handy finisher) is a massive plus. His stats don't compare badly with the guy pretty much considered the best winger we've had in the last 10 years... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 First Wilkin, now Foster. What is it with you and pretty boys? '" I wouldn't know they was pretty boys as boys ain't my thing I just feel Jamie is a disaster waiting to happen. I'm not having a dig at him as he's had a good season but at the moment I think he's to cocky and needs bringing down a peg or two and get back to playing rugby. He fumbles a lot of ball and his defence has become very suspect as he's grabbing. His kicking and finishing tho is high class and without Jamie I don't think we'd have finished in the top 5.

At least he will never be accused of being a pretty boy. He looks more like a veteran bare knuckle fighter

I can think of two absolute pearlers of long kicks, one in the first half where he got it from about his own 30 dep into their 20 and the one in the 2nd half that sat up in the in goal (which Tomkins managed to rescue very well).

Gaskell's a fine player, with some very rare traits.

Couple of things. I've liked gaskell from the start his kiicking game is something we have sorely missed for years.

Gaskell did have few kicks that went wrong on Saturday but thats what you get in a first season. But not all the kicks came from gaskell in fact it was only when he took control of the kicking in the first half that we started to gain field posistion.

Gaskell got alot of the glamour running lasdt night. But it cannot be under estimated that Lomax offered himself up to the wigan line which made the gaps for gaskell.

I think as a pair it was the best i've seen them work. There individual skills are a hand full but trying to stop them as a pair well that is another challenge. You go to lomax then gaskell will power through or offer a kick. Try to cover gaskell and stay well spaced and lomax can jink through a spread defensive line. The future is bright for the next two years at half back.

Is Tommy-God involved in kick training with him?

Gaskell has come on enormously over the course of the season and has done fantastically in the 2 playoff games. I wondered whether he had a longer term future at Saints during the Wire and Harlequins debacles where he just looked a bit like a rabbit in headlights at times, but he is starting to look more and more of a player with each appearance. I still worry a bit that one of his (understandably at this stage of his career) regular errors will cost us big next week though, and I can't shake the feeling that we might be wishing that Pryce and/or Wheeler could have had a few more weeks to get fitness/form in time to start about this time next week, but then I've learned to be pessimistic with O/T appearances...

I still don't know where he'll play next season though unfortunately - Hohaia will be taking a shirt off either Lomax or Gaskell (whether we like it or not) and Wheeler (if he can ever stay upright for more than 2 games at a time at any stage of his career) makes the team in front of either Lomax or Gaskell every day of the week for me. Just as well we always have plenty of injuries to give them regular run-outs I guess...

You [ican't[/i move Gaskell out of the halves! the subtle skills of distribution and long kicking are almost unique in the squad to him and he gives our team much more balance. Look at our inability to construct a try against Wigan in the CC when he wasn't playing.

I agree that, if we can get him fit, Wheeler has to be involved. The options are centre (but Meli has impressed and has 1 more year), or full back (or half back and move Lomax to #1) depending on Wellens development.
I'm loathed to break up what we've got going. I'm afraid Hohaia is just going to have to fit in where needed.
Lomax could play a similar attacking role from #1, but he is also a lot better than the average half at defending.

Long was still kicking them out on the full even in his final years. I think he just put too much on it on saturday. It will be interesting to see how leeds cope with his deep kicks and those bombs will really give webb a few seconds to think about whats coming down.

Next year we may shape up alot differently to this year so its hard to say how we will fit three half backs in. With graham not doing 80 minutes we may switch to going from a back on the bench to a back at loose. ( just a thought). Then a year later we may play one of the three at FB.

Perry Roby TP
Wilkin Soliola
Lomax

Lance Gaskell

with zLaffranchi. Flannaghan. Clough and LMS on the bench.

2013

Lance FB
Makinson
Shenton
Wheeler if he gets a season being fit next year
Foster
Gaskell
Lomax
Perry
Roby
TP
Wilkin
Flanghan
Lafranchi


LMS
Clough
etc
etc