Isn't that only if Leigh don't get into Super League? Not much chance of that happening.

No. He wants the move regardless

He's not been selected again this week. When was the last time this guy actully played a game in the NRL ?

He's 26 and only played 38 games in 5 seasons.

How did we even scout him ?

I see the local experts are out in force. Percy isn't as good as Watkins, Sinfield better than all of our halves etc etc.

Well, pray tell, how did Watkins end up so good ? Because they stuck with a hugely talented kid and now he's a top player. You know, kind of what Saints are doing now in umpteen positions. Hall was another talented kid and look at him. Hardaker they took a chance on a lad from Featherstone, who has turned into a cracker. Moon a signing from Salford, where funnily enough we've just signed Tasi from, a man whom hasn't even got here yet and the resident experts have already christened 'our Tautai'.

Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire etc etc, are all products of Leeds. That doesn't happen too often. Had Leeds had to go out and sign such on field generals, they'd be nowhere near the same quality because they're unattainable. This kind of tripe that Saints need to go out and sign all of these players to compete is a fine narrative but where are they ? Rather than bemoaning the players we have give us alternatives.

Luke Walsh was voted 7th in the Dally M the year we signed him. Travis Burns one of the top 6s in the comp and had a choice of us or Wigan. Walmsley is arguably the best prop in the country, Roby probably the best player in the country, Vea and Greenwood looked superb strike threats before both being decimated with injury, Turner is our top try scorer etc etc.

Leeds have a nucleus of experienced, big game players that know exactly what they're doing. That's why we lost Friday. They're better than we are, it's that simple. Does that mean it's the end of the world ? No, it doesn't.

Some of our supporters don't deserve the club they support. Any mug holding Warrington up as some form of shining example needs their head testing. Leeds are a shining example but let's see how they look next year without Sinfield and Peacock.

Scored two tries in their Reserve game.

When did he last play first grade? Anyone know what his preferred position is ?

How are we scouting the likes of Quinlan and Peyroux if they never play first Grade ?

Is this a trick question? We're scouting reserve grade? Maybe we decided after the flops like Laffranchi, Perry and Hohaia, that we'd need to go a bit deeper than "oo look how many NRL games they've played, I'm sure that must make them good"

As a more general point, saints seem to have greatly strengthened their scouting network, given the recent (attempted) signings for the academy like Nzongou (no idea how to spell it) - that can surely only be a good thing?

Oh, and Quinlan was recommended to KC from DA

Having seen a bit of Peyroux I'd say he's quite useful.

Better than Josh Jones.

Aye, but what does DA know when you've the like of Saddened and co on here ?

So he must be be top class player If DA put his name forward. Funny he can't get selected for parramatta and no other team has taken him ?

I just feel we need some players that have proven quality and not so much bargain basement signings. SMD peyroux and Tasi don't really fill me with joy tbh.

I'm not saying he must be top class because DA recommended him, I'm saying the club took the opinions of people they trust to give an honest judgement before deciding to proceed. It's not a case of signing anyone because they've done xyz.

Hohaia was as proven as they come, yet by the end of his contract nothing more than backup.

That's what happens when you sign and World Cup wining NZ fullback on and play him everywhere apart from fullback. We have super Royce to thank for that.

Regarding DA, we could do with him doing a few sessions on defence with us. He really tightened is up in his spell at the club

With a full strength team Josh Jones can't even get a game on the bench. Which means he's a reserve grade player.

The only people here suggesting Peyroux is one of our headline players are the usual dingbats best ignored.

I'll say this again:

[uWE ARE REPLACING JOSH JONES.[/u

Lomax
Makinson Percival Turner Swift
Burns Walsh
Amor Roby Walmsley
Greenwood Vea
LMS

Tasi Savelio Wilkin Thompson

What "proven quality" do you sign and to replace who? Even assuming all the space in world on the cap?

Simple. Sack Walsh and Burns and pull some money off the money tree we have hanging in Big Mc's back garden.

Hang on - are people now suggesting Tasi's a step [ibackwards [/ifrom Mose?

[i"We're through the looking glass here, people. Black is White and White is Black".[/i

Crying out for top class prop. Strangely saints also feel we need a prop and last out to 3/4 for next year.

I know Peyroux is to replace Josh Jones but we are replacing squad players. We should be looking a better quality of players who will put pressure on the current first grade players to perform.

The 17 picks it's self as you suggest but that Imo is a bad thing as coaches need healthy competition.

I'll put money on that 17 next year winning zero.

Jesus were not even out of the running for this year and you're already writing us off for next year.

Jones puts absolutely no pressure on the centres this year, and Peyroux will next year, that's an improvement - If he turns to be of similar quality to Quinlan, than Turner may find himself moving as I suggested. SMD can also play in the 3/4s and adds some pressure - and Grace and Wellington will probably be looking for a game or two next year as well. When you compare that to Dawson this year it's an infinite improvement.

Savelio moving to the front row seems like the current plan and he certainly came of age last week. Him, Thompson, Richards and Greenwood are all going to get better and better, and Haggerty is an unknown in this. Davies and Knowles again will be looking to push through and anyone who doesn't perform will see them nipping at the heels. TRex was also rumoured, though I'm not a fan, he'd be an infinite improvement on Flanagan in terms of ability.

Will still have room for another relatively big signing I believe and KC said there's another one to come in, we're not as bad as some people seem to believe.

Has Marvin The Paranoid Android hacked this forum?

Hilarious!

Can I ask where you have seen Peyroux play and how many times ? I imagine you've been to the games and seen jones the last three seasons?

Just wondered how you can compare?

Also, how many u19s games have you attended this year ? (Or you going is saints website game reports) ?

You wanted us to sign Clare from Cas few month back, im pretty sure that couid happen as nobody wants him next year

Clare signed for Bradford and most Cas fans were very disappointed he didn't get more chances in front of Channing and Gibson but hey ho.

Given Long will have worked with Peyroux in the Samoa set up last year for the 4N I'm trusting him to be far more aware than anyone on here to be able to compare and contrast him with Jones. The fact he was selected for the Cook Islands (I think) for the 2013 World Cup and then the 2014 Samoa team aren't bad credentials at all to have, and are seemingly completely ignored by those already desperate to write off Peyroux as a signing before ever seeing him. You know the same that happened with Vea last year. Wondering how you think that Peyroux is a terrible player and still repeatedly be involved with international setups - it's not like Samoa were uncompetitive.

As for the 19s, you're the one saying Grace is getting a first team contract next year. It's standard practice at saints for a player to have his debut 1 year, 5-7 games next, 10-15 the year after and then full first grade after that.

This in danger of becoming "I'm a better fan than you" so I'm gonna leave it there.

Who gives a damn about who's seen who? Will the answer make Peyroux a better or worse player?

The only question that matters is - has the club seen Peyroux?

It appears so. What's more, it appears they are more than happy to give him a contract - [ias the replacement for a player who has only ever been a replacement.[/i

Oh, and offering to bet money AGAINST your OWN CLUB is bad.

I've not once said Peyroux is terrible. Can you please show me where I wrote this please?

We tried very hard to keep jones. If Jones has signed then we wouldn't be signing Peyroux so that suggests to me that we rate jones higher than Peyroux.

I'm pretty sure I was told he's played 3 games for samoa which isn't enough time to see how good he is really is it ?

I hope he turns out to be a world beating player but his record doesn't look great tho, I'm sure you'd agree on that ? You can get lucky with these types but if he's half decent Id imagine he'd be playing for someone in the NRL wouldn't he?

The team you've picked earlier in the thread contains players that you have posted need another year next year as still only 20 yrs of age. What makes them suddenly good enough to play week in week out in 2016 ?

I'm just not very excited with what we brought in so far for 2016. Tasi will be o ok replacement for Mose as he will give us more game time but not the impact mose "can" give but I'm ok with tasi for mose.

I'm not thrilled with Peyroux for jones but only time will tell on this one. We've also lost lance, wello and flash that also need replacing. They might have not been the force they once was but they are experinced players that have there and done it.

Id like a good 3/4 added who can attack but more importantly I think we need a good hard experinced prop.

a) Jones has become and out and out pack man rather than a centre/ utility. The club tried hard to keep him, but it's entirely possible we'd of still brought Peryoux in, with Jones taking Flanagans spot. My point is more Peyroux would have never played for Samoa if he wasn't any good. I think Saints have clearly changed their tact in signings recently, and so far they've been proven right regardless of what's written online before hand, I trust that the right people have seen enough to have made this judgement. Peyroux may well be that 3/4 you want.

b) I think the club now has the intention of: Amor, Walmsley, Tasi, Savelio, Richards, Haggerty (and Nzongou). Who is available who could have performed better than Savelio in the semi? Good enough = old enough as the saying goes.

c) that doesn't mean we don't need to bring someone else in - and the club has said so. We will sign another player this year - but I don't expect a superstar, as cap will still be tight (losing 100k due to the removal of various allowances, walsh no longer being split with Penrith, major upgrades to several youngsters), but another solid signing is expected as far as I'm concerned. Whether that's Trex (God help us) and Savelio as a front rower, or whether we've found a front rower (Kopczak still hasn't committed to anyone, or were breaking the transfer fee record to bring the ginger home

) and Savelio will be moving wider next year I don't know.

d) the only player in the team I posted earlier who was 20 was Savelio, and he was the best player we had just about on Friday? Him, Greenwood, Thompson, Percival and Richards have all played enough this year to be considered solid first team members, despite their age

e) more than happy to accept we haven't made any superstar signings this year, I'm excited to see Percival, Thompson, Savelio, Greenwood start to push for England, and Walmsley and Makinson to really shine as superstars. Hopefully the academy will throw up the next few gems as well. Surely that's better than a broken superstar from the NRL whose as likely to flop as be brilliant? Maybe the club feels like it's been burnt one too many times like that before?

You said that Thompson, Richards and Sav shouldn't yet be first team player week in and week out didn't you due to their age ? We both agree that Richards and Thompson have had a little 2nd season syndrome and need to be manged still? In that case a good experinced prop would do us for one two seasons while the young props mature and get more experience.

Sav Imo has put in some awesome performances this season against good teams like wolves, wigan and leeds but he's still very young and will be a little hit and miss but I've said for years he's the real deal.

Clubs need to build on on success and champion teams and I just feel we will be weaker next year and few teams will be stronger in which is very tight super league.