Why is everyone implying Tomkins is the only player who does this. Are you all so influenced by what a football supporter on sky decides to highlight. It is commonplace including a number of your players using it this season and a 'tactic' i have seen on many of the televised games involving all teams

It is something along with many other 'cheats' that should be taken out of our game. To ask a player not to cheat is virtually impossible. No one would ever be offside, or hold down for a start.

As for bringing the game into disrepute try starting with Mclennans post match coments about the 'cheat' Danny Maguire (get well soon)

There's nothing new in this. Hanley got away with it for years.

I'm sure i've seen penalties given for it in the past.

Thats easy. If he knows whats going on, he can when he sees it allow players additional time to untangle themself from Tomkin's arm.

He is cheating; he knows exactly what he is doing and if he does it against the convicts and gets away with it, I'll probably think well done. I don't for a minute think he will get away with in Oz / NZ. Their refs are not quite as forgiving as ours (unless of course you are called Mason and you want to punch another player).

Beause though it may not be written in the rules doing something like that to gain an unfair advantage over an opponent is cheating. Think about it before criticising my beliefs.

Sam conned the ref twice. If we can all see it, the ref should be smart enough to spot it.
He can either just not give a penalty, meaning that Wigan get a slow play, or he can warn and the penalise Sam for holding the tackler.

We're getting on his back because he does it quite frequently, one or twice, it wouldn't be as noticed, but he's been doing it every time I've seen them on sky, and still he gets away with it, that's why people are "witch hunting" him.

At the end of the day it's down to the refs - pretty much everyone knows he does it now so the refs should just either let it go and just let Sam slow his own team down or penalise him (ungentlemanly conduct maybe?).. he'd soon stop doing it.

How can the ref allow additional time? The time that a tackler has to get away from the tackle is specified in the rules. If the ref allows more than that then he is not applying the rules of the game. which is his job out there.

You could argue that the rules should be changed, which is a reasonable standpoint (bearing in mind the consequential difficulties that could arise from that), but criticising Sam Tomkins for playing to the rules shows that you are probably arguing this point just because it is Sam Tomkins. I understand that (I dislike Leon Pryce for example, partly for how he plays, but mostly because he is so good

) but it is not the basis for a solid argument.

I've seen it from others though, Ablett from leeds, for example. Players are getting more proffesional, refs need to keep up.

Christ!

All teams and all players try and get away with as much as they can - just because sam has been highlighted on TV by a commentator who can't tell the difference between Tommy L and Piggy in slow motion everyone is going crazy about it.

Players are constantly trying to push the ball out of the attackers hands in a multiple tackle to make it look like a knock on - that's conning the ref - shouldn't we start a witchhunt on that?

Defenders constantly stand with one foot over the try line when they should have both on it when they think the ref isn't looking - thats conning the ref - should we start a witchhunt over that.

Some players claim for a try when they are nowhere near grounding the ball - again conning the ref - witchhunt anyone?

Or shall we wait until Eddie comes up with his next petty thing to go on about and follow that like sheep for a while?

Completely agree with this post, players have and always will push the boundaries and try to get away with what they can, if the ref can't determine what is happening then a player will fill his boots. Its not like its a new thing, players have done it for years. Eddie is getting more annoying as the years go by, they need to hand over to Mr Carney who just gets better.

you're just showing a lack of knowledge of the rules of the game, your "beliefs" are irrelevant! Tompkins played to the rules and should be applauded, noone has yet said what he's supposed to have done wrong???

It's against the rules to interfere with a defender's movement after a tackle is completed and is classed as obstruction. If it's not illegal, why not just hold a defender on top of you for 20 minutes if you're in front in a game?

Incidentally, I would imagine what McGuire did is also classed as obstruction, yet seems to warrant a ruptured knee in the eyes of plenty of Wigan fans.

It is defenitley not in the morals of th game at all! Its also not in the rules that when taking a conversion you aren't allowed to welly the ball into the onlooking opposition players but u just dont do it! If he has to cheatto gain an advantage heisnt half the player people believe he is.

i grant you that, definitely not in the spirit of the game

To be fair you could pick half a dozen incidents per game that are not in the spirit of the game, I really don't think it is a big deal as lots of players do it.

My point exactly mate

What rules have a specific number of seconds to disentangle yourself from a player you have just tackled? Please show me.

Surely its not good when you have to pull a fast one to get a penalty to get you closer to the try line, Wigan have enough quality players to do this without other fans from other teams going against them, S Tompkins is a very clever fast player one day he will meet his match, i would say its the other Tompkins brother who is more irritating, just hope we stop em both on Fri night or were in the ......................

There was a penalty in the Featherstone v Halifax game on Thursday night for exactly the situation you described. You're right though, they are as rare as rocking horse poo.

As for Tomkins cheating, it's complete nonsense. Watch any NRL game and you'll see the same thing happen several times during the game. As someone said before, if Tomkins did it against the Aussies to win us a match winning penalty, we'd be happy enough. It's something Maguire has brought over from Melbourne, where Billy Slater is a master of it

Who is Thomkins??

I think your missing the point.

It's the way he does it and does it repeatedly that suggests it's premeditated and annoys fans.

You know, Thomkins - friends with Tompkins.

And to OP "bringing the game into disrepute" ?