It was sort of my point. Just because they don;t win, their kids are whinging. Must come from their thousands who stand under the terrace under the cameras, whinging gits.

u werent boring in the last 20 mins last week tbh

Saints have some of the worst fans in the league. They are the best team in the game yet average less than a rubbish team from over the hill. The moment they are in a final 30,000 turn up but when they lose they moan and say they won't turn up for the biggest game of the year.

Reminds me of a side in the early 90s...

Tell us something we don't know, you can come on here having a go at our attendances all you like but your on the whole preaching to the converted - most on here do go to every game they possibly can no matter what but like every other team we have fans who expect too much/ expect miracles/ never happy etc etc.

I have missed the last 2 games through illness and unless I win the lottery in the next week I won't be going to Quins but I can't wait to get to the Wigan game and get back into it - win lose or draw I would much rather be there to see it than be stuck home watching it on sky/listening on the radio and I am sure most on here (regardless of who they support) feel the same.

Nah, they said they would be going to watch Wigan but if we didn't perk up then they wouldn't be bothering again for the season. Sorry if it came out wrong.

I couldn't call it knee-jerk because I stand with those guys at every home game - I only see them at matches - and they started off as enthusiastic as everyone else. I've watched them slowly become a bit disillusioned with the way Saints are playing this season compared to previous years.

However, I don't reckon that's the reason for only 8,500 turning up tonight. More likely that it was raining and cold and on Sky.

Not seen Saints play much this year as I no longer have Sky Sports. When you say its boring, what has changed?

Not having a go at your attendances in the slightest. They've been pretty good this year and i'm a believer that if you move to your new stadium you won't be averaging far off what we get.

The bigger the crowds at all rugbyleague matches the better for everyone involved in the game.

I still can't believe some of the moans and groans on here at losing a game against Wakefield with a few players missing, on a horrible night with no goalkicker..........it's not the end of the world and has little bearing on what will happen in the big games at the end of the season.

Boring or not and as much as it pains me to say i'd put my last quid on you having a treble in the cabinet at the end of the year.

It was a shocking attendance for the top of the league no matter what excuse you mite come up with weather etc.. if people are bored with you winning i cant see your crowds growing cos your losing unlike at wigan. The number of WAFC shirts in your town is very alarming.

Less flair, more errors, a sense of malaise/apathy about the team (with exceptions: at Wire, at Leeds for the CC round, Leeds at KR, Wakey away).

Jesus, what is the world coming to when the most reasonable posts on a thread on the Saints board are from Wigan and Warrington fans...

I'm in St. Helens fairly often as I work there and have family there and I agree. St Heleners wouldn't go round with Wigan jerseys on so why the hell do they go around with latics jerseys on?

But we were averaging 15,000 attendances in the league in 1995.

Well, you wouldn't expect Wigan and Warrington fans to be upset/bothered/somewhat irate at Saints losing, now, would you? So likewise you would hardly expect them to be less reasonable than Saints fans following a loss of the great team that is St Helens.

What are you on about?

I would actually expect Saints fans, who are following a team that is top of the league and in the CC semi final be more reasonable yes. I'd expect fans of other teams to be trolling, yet it appears that they don't have to.

We lost a game by 2 points. A game played in atrocious weather, with no recognised goal kicker, with a second rower playing scrum half, with two senior players playing their first game after injury (one having had surgery), a very inexperienced pack with only 3 recognised props. A game in which we actually scored more tries than the opposition and they only scored 2 of theirs due to our mistakes.

Would I expect Saints fans to be more reasonable, rather than crying things like 'Potter Out!'. Yes, I would.

Added to that, comments along the line of 'We shouldn't be losing to a team like Wakefield' scream arrogance of the highest order.

Well said.............

Coming on here, talking common sense...

Best ever post from a saints fan.

Can't you read, hon? Wire and Wigan fans are bound to be more 'reasonable' than many Saints fans because it isn't their team who lost, it isn't their team who lost on goalkicking when they'd actually scored more tries, and it isn't their team who did that coz the coach decided to allocate goalkicking duties to one of our players who cannot kick. It really wasn't a complicated response.

Read Wire and Wigan boards when their team has lost. Try it should their team actually score more tries than the losing side but still manage not to win. See if they are reasonable then!

We all get over our moments of unreasonableness but I think such feelings are fully justified given the fact that we really should have won that match even though we weren't playing especially well.

Yes fine thanks, you're just posting tripe again.

Why bother reading it then?

How would I know it was tripe unless I'd read it first?

Nice job in completely ignoring the main point of the post though, because you know full well given the situation we are in and the circumstances surrounding the game, mean that the majority of comments that have been made aren't 'justified'.

What?

I think it's perfectly ok for Saints fans to let off steam about the coach if they feel frustrated at his decision to allocate goalkicking duties to the man who cannot kick. I don't expect Wire and Wigan fans to express frustration at that decision. In fact, they are likely to feel somewhat joyful, given the result. So Wire and Wigan fans will appear more reasonable. It's logical.

I don't know what you're so hung up about, tbh.

Some Saints fans would excuse anything by a coach. We could lose the next 10 matches and some people would still be saying it was the weather. Other fans blame the coach [ifor[/i the weather. Either way, Saints fans are generally going to be less reasonable than the fans of other clubs when it comes to what happens with Saints. I really don't know what the issue is here.

The issue is the complete over reaction to a narrow loss by Saints fans, I've already posted why I think it's an over reaction.

Can't you read, hon?