Well you might not like them, but Turner is playing to great effect ball in hand, Percival is considered by many (me included) as real class. Our wingers may not be shoe ins for England, but they both bring a lot to the table. There's obviously a lot of question marks around our full back spot, but that's more to do with who'll be playing it next week. The only other real question mark on the backs for me is the long term direction of the halfves, with two aussies who're likely moving on in the next 2 years.

As forwards go, I'd (like many others) say we need a good hard prop to get us some good yards. Whilst Tasi won't give us Masoe's big go forward plays, he'll add a bit of venom to our defence, which will serve in the same vein. I don't think Richards is quite yet up to scratch for a first 17 shirt and Thompson and Savelio are still green. I do aree with you that a temptation to rely on these guys would be folly. A nice one-two year contract for a hardened front line prop would give these two time to flourish.
Its important to note that we've played a lot of the season without Joe Greenwood and Atela Vea, whom give us a lot of shape and are very important when you've got two hlaves better suited to passing than running.

Vea, Walmsly, now Peyroux - all lower profile signings. I'm sure Peyroux can give as much to the squad as Jones currently is (mainly due to his lack of opportunities).

Stop talking sense.

No place for that round here

I think, Saddened, that we DO have players who scare opposition fans when we're in their twenty. Give Turner the ball within twenty metres and he scores more often than not. Percival is still developing, but his evasion skills are already very good. I think the real issue is that we're not using them as effectively as we might yet, because of Walsh's terrible luck.

But he's getting better with each game. I would put it to you that once Walmsley and Roby have got us into the half, then any opposition fan's heart rate is going to rise if they see Waldh with ball in hand and space on either flank.

If you just forget for one minute that saddened is a troll, in this instance is he right. Everything he says is right

Regards

King James

Sado might say some things for reaction but me and Sado predicted back in 2008 that we was heading for a real baron spell for our standards due to poor recruitment and retention and going all out youth which is always massive risk and I fear we heading that way again.

Just compare our signings for next year. We've brought in some reserve grade somoan, and Tasi which is your normal run of the mill prop who's not first choice at 2nd bottom salford.

We are in dire need of strike players and a prop at least. I worry our halves lack the game management and creativity in attack.

I'm not bagging us but I feel we heading in wrong direction since our grand final win regarding recruitment and retention and while we will be knocking about the top four we will once again struggle to win those big games.

I said it ages ago but when you have an old boys club running and coaching the club; it usually ends in tears. I hope I'm wrong as the team has again performed this season better than they have on paper yet again !

Definitely. We're not rubbish and we'll still have good moments, but we're going to fall short again. We're not as good as Leeds this season. They've improved again for next season with Garbutt and Galloway brought in to ease Peacock's exit. We'll be slightly weaker next year without Mose and with a farcical situation at fullback unless Quinlan signs. Wire will be much better (And will probably beat Leeds in the Cup final this year) and Wigan will have Tomkins back. He's the man their entire attacking system is built around and they've finished 3rd without him being here. They will be stronger than us as well if they sign a prop.

Snap up Eastmond or a similar quality of player with the marquee exemption. We've got to at least strive to improve, even if it is a risk.

Tonight we was kicking to a back three of briscoe, Hardaker and Hall. All three and punish you even if the kick is good. Leeds was kicking to Quinlan, Dawson and swift. The is a massive Massive difference in class.

You then look at their centres and hslves. Watkins is just a freak and caused walsh and Turner problems all night. Watch it back, we back off him everytime he gets the ball. In the other side they have Moon who again is great in attack and great for any winger. They has sinfield and McGuire in the hslves. Sinfield is probably the best game managemt player in super league.

They are far superior to us in the backs and on par in the forwards. It's the strike players that make the difference in these games and we don't have one single strike player that the club.

Can't agree with you on this.

Our centres in Percy and Turner can also score nearly every time from 10-15 yards. The difference was the offloading. We didn't make our tackles stick and they did, so as a result they offloaded down the line to their strikers who must have got double the ball that our centres did.

I highly rate percy but he's no Watkins or Joel moon yet. I know percy is getting frustrated with lack of quality ball.

Turner is good with the ball but up there with the worst defence in super league but again, Hes no Watkins or moon and will never will be for that matter.

We should have got Moon from Salford when they would have accepted £1.50 before cashcow took over.

Leeds have also signed Ryan Brierley for next season (They just love speed and good footwork in there backline, thats there motto and it works) We should really follow suit

Isn't that only if Leigh don't get into Super League? Not much chance of that happening.

No. He wants the move regardless

He's not been selected again this week. When was the last time this guy actully played a game in the NRL ?

He's 26 and only played 38 games in 5 seasons.

How did we even scout him ?

I see the local experts are out in force. Percy isn't as good as Watkins, Sinfield better than all of our halves etc etc.

Well, pray tell, how did Watkins end up so good ? Because they stuck with a hugely talented kid and now he's a top player. You know, kind of what Saints are doing now in umpteen positions. Hall was another talented kid and look at him. Hardaker they took a chance on a lad from Featherstone, who has turned into a cracker. Moon a signing from Salford, where funnily enough we've just signed Tasi from, a man whom hasn't even got here yet and the resident experts have already christened 'our Tautai'.

Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire etc etc, are all products of Leeds. That doesn't happen too often. Had Leeds had to go out and sign such on field generals, they'd be nowhere near the same quality because they're unattainable. This kind of tripe that Saints need to go out and sign all of these players to compete is a fine narrative but where are they ? Rather than bemoaning the players we have give us alternatives.

Luke Walsh was voted 7th in the Dally M the year we signed him. Travis Burns one of the top 6s in the comp and had a choice of us or Wigan. Walmsley is arguably the best prop in the country, Roby probably the best player in the country, Vea and Greenwood looked superb strike threats before both being decimated with injury, Turner is our top try scorer etc etc.

Leeds have a nucleus of experienced, big game players that know exactly what they're doing. That's why we lost Friday. They're better than we are, it's that simple. Does that mean it's the end of the world ? No, it doesn't.

Some of our supporters don't deserve the club they support. Any mug holding Warrington up as some form of shining example needs their head testing. Leeds are a shining example but let's see how they look next year without Sinfield and Peacock.

Scored two tries in their Reserve game.

When did he last play first grade? Anyone know what his preferred position is ?

How are we scouting the likes of Quinlan and Peyroux if they never play first Grade ?

Is this a trick question? We're scouting reserve grade? Maybe we decided after the flops like Laffranchi, Perry and Hohaia, that we'd need to go a bit deeper than "oo look how many NRL games they've played, I'm sure that must make them good"

As a more general point, saints seem to have greatly strengthened their scouting network, given the recent (attempted) signings for the academy like Nzongou (no idea how to spell it) - that can surely only be a good thing?

Oh, and Quinlan was recommended to KC from DA

Having seen a bit of Peyroux I'd say he's quite useful.

Better than Josh Jones.

Aye, but what does DA know when you've the like of Saddened and co on here ?

So he must be be top class player If DA put his name forward. Funny he can't get selected for parramatta and no other team has taken him ?

I just feel we need some players that have proven quality and not so much bargain basement signings. SMD peyroux and Tasi don't really fill me with joy tbh.

I'm not saying he must be top class because DA recommended him, I'm saying the club took the opinions of people they trust to give an honest judgement before deciding to proceed. It's not a case of signing anyone because they've done xyz.

Hohaia was as proven as they come, yet by the end of his contract nothing more than backup.

That's what happens when you sign and World Cup wining NZ fullback on and play him everywhere apart from fullback. We have super Royce to thank for that.

Regarding DA, we could do with him doing a few sessions on defence with us. He really tightened is up in his spell at the club

With a full strength team Josh Jones can't even get a game on the bench. Which means he's a reserve grade player.

The only people here suggesting Peyroux is one of our headline players are the usual dingbats best ignored.

I'll say this again:

[uWE ARE REPLACING JOSH JONES.[/u