I agree. However, that fact that it was done on a talented young player who finally had the chance to show us what he had to offer (and it looked very good up to then) has particularly upset me.


They were all over the place, weren't they?

I loved Jammer's hit on Lima though. That was man on man, fair and square, you are mine!

I watched it again, and i'd say it was a couple of seconds late and i would also say Hoffman had no intention of charging the kick down, he went for the man. It should have been penalised and he should have had 10 minutes in the bin, IMO.

Ah good. A fan with eyes to see!

You mean like the one on Wilkin? Surprised he didn't ask the ref to put it on report

He couldn't because it was a fair tackle. The reaction of Wilkin himself and all the saints players who watched it are proof of that. Like the Graham on Lima hit, it was a huge hit but completely legal.

Some supporters need to realise this isn't football. They are athletes who take the physicality as part of their job.

There is a distinct difference between physicality and dangerous play. Thankfully, these days, this is recognised and their are rules in place to protect players.

Stop with the hate! It didn't get dealt with, so nothing will get done.

IN THE REFEREES EYES, it was ok, so it was ok.

Just because you've been living in Wire's shadow all these years:



hahaha, sorry! Had to throw that in on this board somewere!!!

Lent is over.
Have you been on the wine already?

English teacher, come on?

Do you have a life or are you really so sad that in order to make yourself feel better about yourself you follow me around the boards?



sad old git

Sad eld cock head should of been banned ages ago? He trolls every thread going

Trust me I have much better things to do than follow an unemployed teacher around.

You know the saying "Those that can do, do, those that can't teach"

And yes I have said the same thing to my daughter, even though she is good at her teaching job.

Then sod off and do whatever it is you have to do that is much better.

Go Away

Looking back at it now, i think i may have overreacted a little.

He was quite late on Wheeler but i think it was more the force of the collision than the placing of Hoffman's tackle that hurt Wheeler.

So if Jammer had damaged Lima's shoulder with his collision then that would have been ok?

Yes. Firstly, because Lima is a dirty git. Secondly, because shoulder charges on a player when they are NOT kicking the ball are legal. Thirdly, because Lima is a dirty git.

Simples.

Why did the ref give a knock-on when the ball clearly hit Deacon in the face? That changed the momentum of the game which led to Saints two late tries. If you are going to harp on about refereeing decisions then take a balanced view.

Firstly Lima isn't a dirty git. Secondly the challenge on Wheeler was legal. Thirdly Lima is not a dirty git.

If Deacon's face knocked the ball forward, then that is a knock on. Had it knocked the ball backwards, it wouldn't have been a knock on.

I disagree.

The ref didn't agree.

The rule was introduced to cover the situation where, Hooper style, the player deliberately heads the ball forward.

Exactly. And those rules were not applied because the O'Loughlin hit was a legal challenge. Hence Wilkin getting up afterwards and not being annoyed by the decision to carry on with the game.

I don't understand your argument.

The original argument was about Ryan Hoffman's late challenge on Wheeler, and the rules of the game in respect of tackling a kicker when he is kicking the ball.

I believe the challenge on Wheeler was late. That would make it an illegal challenge on one score.

My understanding of the rules of the game where challenging the kicker are concerned is that the challenging player isn't supposed to aim for the kicker but for the ball, either to intercept it or to put the kicker off. Hoffman clearly shoulder charged Wheeler in the shoulder, popping his AC joint. That is as clear as day on the TV footage. That would make it an illegal challenge on another score.

Therefore, from my POV, what Hoffman did was illegal - because it was late and because it was a direct hit on Wheeler rather than going for the ball.

However, the referee ignored it and whether the RFL will see it the same way is anyone's guess. One minute everyone is being sinbinned and the next no one is. This game's ruling body is very amateurish.

As for the O'Loughlin challenge on Wilkin, from the TV that looked high but as it was a shoulder charge it is hard to tell based on the distance from the camera. The Wheeler challenge, though, was very close to the camera and clear to see.

No problem with your opinion, just don't keep shoving it down everyone's throat.