I've no idea mate, but we are still struggling to make a profit as a club. I believe that is reflected in our spending and recruitment. I agree, you can't just have a team full of kids with a couple of top players trying to hold it together but unfortunately that's what's happening. We've done that for a number of seasons now under a few different coaches. Cunningham's not got the same luxuries that the likes of Millward and Anderson enjoyed.

I'm amazed we don't get other big events booked at that stadium. Even Leigh had Elton John on for Christ sake. The club can't just rely on rugby league and the odd under 21 footy game. Get Martin Murray on, some pop star or something. I dunno. It's late, I'm off to bed.

And whst about last week ? Nobody gave Salford a change against a team one of tbe favourites to win cups and team full of stars.

No excuse at all. The to roosters aren't full of stars like in the past, they hadn't played one single game this year, they flew 12,000 miles to play the game and played in conditions they ain't used to.

We are so boring it's unreal. One up rugby all the time. We even use our wingers and centres as props these days. We are poor in defence and shocking in attack.

Any one of those Roosters players would be an excellent acquisition for any SL side mate. Can't argue with any of that though. I hate seeing us like this. However if we go back a couple of weeks, we turned Huddersfield over comfortably and things looked positive. I think we're going to be frustratingly inconsistent for a couple of seasons at least.

I had not seen the game on TV, so did not want to comment.

I thought KC spoke well, he is not there to give impartial commentary on the game.
He is there as the Saints coach and he is there to manage the team.

Last year he made a huge mistake in mine and most peoples opinion by speaking honestly about the team and individuals and picking them out on air rather than keeping it in the dressing room.
It's 2 games into the season and his job is to motivate the team for SL.

Also comparing a 60 second talk on the field to in depth analysis of 3 set plays by the opposing coach is ridiculous.

Of course trent robinson spoke more eloquently, he was treated in a completely different fashion. The only way to compare them is to give them equal treatment.

Personally I'd rather Cunningham come out with positives on TV and keep professional, rather than just shooting his mouth off about player who under-performed and maybe low on confidence after a second bruising defeat.

To me it was a lesson learned and showed he is developing more as a coach, of course if he had come out and lambasted certain players of course the internet crowd would be equally critical of him for not protecting his players and acting as fan rather than a coach.

In the actual 10 seconds of his analysis he concentrated on the middles who did their job, which I thought they did and others on here have stated the same. As opposed to saying the backs lacked attacking threat he credited the Roosters for having excellent backs.

You can go one of two ways be positive of be negative, I would rather he took the positive approach than just put down players who will already be feeling down after a heavy defeat and will be getting it in the neck from 'fans' on the internet.

WHOA there boy. You,ve contradicted the sad one and st. pete. Thats a hanging offence you know.

Brian Mac not happy with performance and said the score reflected the game.

Shaun Wane said wasn't happy with the score and super league miles behind nrl.

KC said he was proud of his players and things didn't go our way.

I know which two are telling the truth and being honest with themselves.

Which of the 3 UK coaches produced the closest result?

Well, out of the 3 embarrassing games for Super League, Saints margin of defeat was less than Wigan and Leeds. It's nothing to be proud of getting battered 'the least' but it's a fact.

Nobody is calling for Wane or Mac to be sacked.

When I came on this board after the Huddersfield win, I didn't see anyone calling for KC to be sacked. And I know the rugby's boring. It was boring last season. I'll argue that it was boring under Brown, even when we won the league it was boring but effective rugby against adversity. We haven't been great to watch for years, it's not just something that's happened under KC. He's simply inherited it and it's not an overnight fix, we can't just go out and blow a load of money on a Newlove or Sculthorpe anymore. He can only use what he's being given so quite clearly by looking at the recruitment, it's for the future...it's to grow a team.

Exactly. KC is not there to tell the truth, he is there to manage St Helens. He can tell the players what he likes away from the camera but for everyone he is proud and thought it could have gone differently.

But it makes him look daft...?!

I don't mind him trying to take positives from the game but he was just clearly wrong

Post-match interviews are nothing more than theatre. 90% of the questions asked you can predict before the interviewer opens his mouth. 98% of the responses to those questions you can predict TO THE SYLLABLE.

If the post-match interview ever had any relevance it drained away years ago. The whole thing is an empty charade which serves only to fill an additional five minutes of programming. The questions you most want asked (i.e. tough ones) never are whilst those you already know the answer to carry on repeating.

Occasionally you get the odd player or coach who goes off script. But such rarities aren't worth the time invested listening to rote answers, cliches, daft questions ("How do you feel after this win?" etc. etc.) and incomprehensible gibberish.

Nobody's asking him to bag players or the team but to be honest. He looked like a clown making them comments.

Wane and Brian mac didn't bag players or the team but they was honest.

"I-rre-gard-less"

Take each game as it comes ...

"We needed to take our changes"

Think KC has come up with a big spat on Stevo's comments who was suggesting super league players are boozers and not bruisers.

Aussie players NEVER booze. Just ask Mitchell Pearce.

Was interesting hearing what KC blamed for the gulf in class between the 2 leagues. He has a point.

What did he say?

The school systems, youth systems, through to the academy, reserves....It stems from the start, that's why they are better at Rugby than us. It's drilled into them from an early age, when it comes to professional level, they're like well oiled machines. We will never compete with them until we grow the sport in this country - it's impossible. Ok, we can compete every now and again in a one-off WCC or an international game, but on a whole - we are nowhere near them! I hate to say it but it's true! I went to a school in St Helens, a RL town, and there was no rugby at all....you think that would happen in NSW or Queensland - not a chance.

So in his latest conference he states he wants Turner back at 6 and Dawson will be the centre to replace Percival. The bloke is so out of his depth its unreal but more fool the club itself.

I also think its an absolute disgrace the club told Dom Peyroux thst he couldent stay at home for the birth of his child after he asked. I dont care what job or profession youre in nothing comes before your kids.

I remember saints letting Lyon go home for 2 weeks for the birth of his son. The club is not what it use to be from top to bottom. It stinks to be honest.

Not here on a wind up, but whilst yours was the closest in terms of scoreline it was the biggest gap in terms of quality, for my money Saints delivered comfortably the worst of the three performances. Sydney simply didn't have to earn their tries.

As for Cunningham? As an outsider looking in he's the biggest problem you've got. Saints is too big a job to be learning as you go.

Quote ="IANmarra"What did he say? The school systems, youth systems, through to the academy, reserves....It stems from the start, that's why they are better at Rugby than us. It's drilled into them from an early age, when it comes to professional level, they're like well oiled machines. We will never compete with them until we grow the sport in this country - it's impossible. Ok, we can compete every now and again in a one-off WCC or an international game, but on a whole - we are nowhere near them! I hate to say it but it's true! I went to a school in St Helens, a RL town, and there was no rugby at all....you think that would happen in NSW or Queensland - not a chance.'" Here's a link bud m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14298 ... ef=mr&lp=9

Quote ="IANmarra"What did he say? The school systems, youth systems, through to the academy, reserves....It stems from the start, that's why they are better at Rugby than us. It's drilled into them from an early age, when it comes to professional level, they're like well oiled machines. We will never compete with them until we grow the sport in this country - it's impossible. Ok, we can compete every now and again in a one-off WCC or an international game, but on a whole - we are nowhere near them! I hate to say it but it's true! I went to a school in St Helens, a RL town, and there was no rugby at all....you think that would happen in NSW or Queensland - not a chance.'" Here's a link bud m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14298 ... ef=mr&lp=9

Look at this article and tell me whether he has a grip on reality: m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14301 ... onsistent/ He seriously says, and I quote, "You take away the three breakaway tries from the offload, the little kick and the bomb that Jack Owens lost that gives you a different scoreline..." Well obviously!!!!

Look at this article and tell me whether he has a grip on reality: m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14301 ... onsistent/ He seriously says, and I quote, "You take away the three breakaway tries from the offload, the little kick and the bomb that Jack Owens lost that gives you a different scoreline..." Well obviously!!!!

Plus if you completely reverse the score, saints would have won so we weren't far off.

Quote ="Albion"Look at this article and tell me whether he has a grip on reality: m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14301 ... onsistent/ He seriously says, and I quote, "You take away the three breakaway tries from the offload, the little kick and the bomb that Jack Owens lost that gives you a different scoreline..." Well obviously!!!!'" Unreal

Quote ="Albion"Look at this article and tell me whether he has a grip on reality: m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14301 ... onsistent/ He seriously says, and I quote, "You take away the three breakaway tries from the offload, the little kick and the bomb that Jack Owens lost that gives you a different scoreline..." Well obviously!!!!'" Unreal

Quote ="Albion"Look at this article and tell me whether he has a grip on reality: m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14301 ... onsistent/ He seriously says, and I quote, "You take away the three breakaway tries from the offload, the little kick and the bomb that Jack Owens lost that gives you a different scoreline..." Well obviously!!!!'" That's the sort of nonsense I used to say when I was 10 watching us get mullered by Wigan. Embarrassing stuff really.

Quote ="Albion"Look at this article and tell me whether he has a grip on reality: m.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/14301 ... onsistent/ He seriously says, and I quote, "You take away the three breakaway tries from the offload, the little kick and the bomb that Jack Owens lost that gives you a different scoreline..." Well obviously!!!!'" That's the sort of nonsense I used to say when I was 10 watching us get mullered by Wigan. Embarrassing stuff really.