19 man squad has been announced. Amor misses out, Olly Davies in the squad.

3. Jordan Turner, 4. Josh Jones, 5. Adam Swift, 6. Travis Burns, 7. Luke Walsh, 8. Mose Masoe, 9. James Roby, 13. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 14. Alex Walmsley, 15. Mark Flanagan, 17. Mark Percival, 18. Luke Thompson, 19. Greg Richards, 21. Joe Greenwood, 22. Matty Dawson, 25. Andre Savelio, 29. Olly Davies, 30. Matt Fleming, 37. Adam Quinlan.

37. Quinlan
22. Dawson
17. Percival
3.Turner
5. Swift
6. Burns
7. Walsh
14. Walmsley
9. Roby
19. Richards
13. LMS
21. Greenwood
4. Jones

Subs:
8. Masoe
18. Thompson
25. Savelio
15. Flanagan

Missing out: Fleming, Davies

Does that suggest he's been dropped, or is he injured/rested?

Didn't say if he was rested, just says misses out. No idea which it is.

If recent performances are anything to judge on I would say dropped isnt unlikely...doesnt look like half the player he was last year, playing far less minutes & not making the yardage he used to

Hulls 19 man squad looks very inexperienced:

Abdull, Downs, Fash, Green, Hadley, Houghton, Lineham, Minichiello, Naughton, Paea, Palea'aesina, Rankin, Sa, Shaul, Sneyd, Talanoa, Thompson, Watts, Westerman

Shaul
Naughton
Talanoa
Sa
Lineham
Abdull
Sneyd
Paea
Houghton
Watts
Minichiello
Thompson
Westerman

Hadley
Green
Feka
Rankin

I imagine he's been dropped given what Cunningham said in the local press this week. Turner was dropped last week, Cunningham stating that Jones was brought in to 'shore up' that side.

Amor needs to bulk up. He looks tiny this season.

Looks pretty good to me.

He's never been the biggest of players but he had great footwork for a prop that got him those extra meters. I commented on his footwork when he first come. It's like a little shuffle thing just before he hits the line.

I think he lost this when he did his knee last year. He never really had it again when he came back so maybe it's the knee causing this.

I think it's pretty harsh dropping kyle tbh. I admit he's not playing well at all and been a shadow of last year but he always puts in 100% and always there to take the ball up and tackle. Let's be honest, the have been other forwards this year that have been much worse than kyle.

Richards was awful for about a month, non stop pens and making mistakes but stayed in 17. Mose has been woeful in 80% of the games this year and very very rare was getting over 7 carries a game but stayed in the 17.

Luke walsh is playing like he's never played rugby before and he's still there. Burns is just as bad as walsh but still there.

Has it took KC until the super 8s to notice Jordan Turner can't tackle ? I could have told him that 3 years ago. I think KC has looked at that left edge and had to make a decision on Turner or Walsh as those two are up there with the worst defenders ive ever seen and teams know this and attack them. They both miss about 5 tackles each which is aprox 10 misses on one edge!

I was critical of JT and his mate when they turned up, JT has improved but his mate quite rightly left. However when you reflect back on the great saints centres of the past wearing 3 or 4 it makes me wonder where we are pitching ourselves and what we'll expect and accept. What if we could choose Newlove, Meninga, Lyon, Iro, McCracken etc now? Puts it into perspective a bit?

He won't be remembered at saints for good reasons. His attack is ok but it's not great. Some here get a bone on when he beats a man but only because we not used to seeing it from a saints back.

His defence and decision making is up there with the worst ive seen for pro player.

Comparisons with the past are pointless.

Are any of the other players equals with previous generations?

Turner is one of few in this team that can bust a tackle and create a try for himself or someone else.

He's not a Saints born and bred lad so does not get the free ride that some local lads get.

Not my favourite player but gets more grief than he deserves. Easy scapegoat, go after the none local players.

The point he's making is our standards have dropped dramatically. Some say he's really really good! He's decent in attack but woeful in defence.

When I say we need a strike player, some people say "who makes way" lol lol lol obviously Turner. One nutjob said he'd rather have turner over SKD

Exactly. Whilst he may not be perfect, he's our top try scorer and has plenty of assists. His big plays are often at very important times, too.

He may have weaknesses, but certainly this year its certainly not a lack of effort. And lets not forget last year when he was the guy sticking his hand up to pla first receiver throughout the playoffs when Gary Wheeler bottled it and Lance was still struggling to become a ful time 6.

Doesbt hide the fact he's not very good. Flash out his hand up to play halves, Wello played everywhere, Josh jones gets moved about, percy got moved to fullback. Playing other postions is part and parcel of the game and that doesn't make Turner special.

I think you could say that for most teams, quality of super league players have been in decline for the last 5 years, we,ve not had any home grown world class international centres and half backs for well over 10 years now.

Thats because Flash, Jones and Wello became utility players and in an injury free side are not 1st 17. Percival had his worst performances in a saints shirt at Full Back. Turner has played half back and loose forward as a last measure because of injuries, he's the best attacking centre we,ve got at the club, nearly all our back line are bad defensively. The opposition have been targeting our left hand side lately and Percival has been missing a few tackles of late.

Do you not find it coincidental that Turner's defence had really tightened up and got a lot better earlier in the year when Wilkin was in the half position, and has got worse again since Walsh came back into the team?

Also would be interested to see how you rate Kallum Watkins & Michael Shenton compared to JT this season (no doubt a lot better), yet when looking at the stats it tells an interesting story:
Turner: 15 tries, 9 assists, 1,681 metres (8.49m average gain), 20 clean breaks
Watkins: 14 tries, 9 assists, 2,814 metres (8.18 average gain), 29 clean breaks
Shenton: 14 tries, 9 assists, 1,989 metres (7.17 average gain), 18 clean breaks

Now I am not for one minute trying to suggest that Turner is a better centre than Watkins based on certain stats (Watkins is best English centre by a mile). But if you bear in mind Watkins has played a fair share of games at full back this year (and therefore due to kick returns will have made extra carries/metres that centres wouldnt normally have to), then it looks like JT's stats are very comparable to Watkins - 1 more try, same assists and a better average gain per carry...on that basis I assume you think Watkins is also "ok in attack but not great"?

As said above, I am not for one minute suggesting that Turner is better than Watkins, but the lad has been one of our best performers all season and one of our biggest attacking threats. Think you are being a bit harsh on him to be honest

I've said he's decent with the ball, im not doubting that but his defensive decisons and execution is shocking. What's his missed tackles compared to the above ?

Having Turner and Walsh on that left edge is like a big sign saying "attack us we can't tackle". It's a open invitation to hammer us on the left. Obviously KC and the coaching staff now fear for us on that side as he's not been selected.

I don't see him getting picked for england either and considering the lack of quality in the English centres it says it all really. Even Dan Sarginson was picked before him who is nearly as bad as Turner in defence.

Flash isn't untility player, he plays Backrow. He played halves as nobody else to put there. Josh jones isn't utility either, he's a centre that's had to play Backrow and does well in both.

You'll be telling me Lms is a utility player next as he's coverd centre and plays Backrow/prop.

Players have to fit into other posotions to help the team but that Doesnt make them all utility players.

I disagree, in my first 17 Flash and Jones are not on the team sheet and presently are being utilised as back up, they cover many positions and by definition are utility players. Lance and Wello where utilised similarly last year. LMS is not a utility player as he is good enough quality to be be on the team sheet every week.
Perhaps we should not use the word utility and use back up player instead.

What many positions do jones and flash cover ? They are not utility players, they maybe backup but not utility.

Thats fine, we don't have any utility players!

But no-ones slagging of Flash and Jones (currently).
We all acknowledge Turner has his faults, mainly based around decision making in defence, but they're far from the top of out list of things to be fixed imo.