Just seen this link https://vine.co/v/MqPHPZp0vrD and the piemen are still claiming his innocence.

Just seen this link https://vine.co/v/MqPHPZp0vrD and the piemen are still claiming his innocence.

Quote ="redex113"Just seen this link https://vine.co/v/MqPHPZp0vrD and the piemen are still claiming his innocence. '" No they are not. What they are saying as the referee said and indicated (easily viewable on boots'n'all) that it was not deliberate and came off the shoulder. That's why it was regarded as reckless rather than intentional.

Quote ="redex113"Just seen this link https://vine.co/v/MqPHPZp0vrD and the piemen are still claiming his innocence. '" No they are not. What they are saying as the referee said and indicated (easily viewable on boots'n'all) that it was not deliberate and came off the shoulder. That's why it was regarded as reckless rather than intentional.

Typical McIlorum, expect nothing less from him,

To be fair, nearly all the wigan fans have said it was out of order and slated him for it and his other actions. General theme is he'd be good if he didnt do this sort of thing.

Looks completely deliberate. Should double the ban.

With Mickey Mac's history its always better to say Guilty until proved Innocent whether reckless, intentional and otherwise. Everything he does is always "neck high" to cast doubt on his motives.

Roby trained by the King

Mcilorum trained by Newton, Nuff said?????

Doesn't look great.
Gladly have him back for the Derby though, absolute penalty machine that lad and see how he deals with Walmsley, Masoe et al running at him.

I'm sorry, but for all the Wigan apologists - that is a shocker. The immediate reaction of the Cas players tells you all you need to know.

The lad is a dirty, dirty player without question and it was only a matter of time before he broke someone's face, Dixon is just unlucky to have been the inevitable victim.

And the sickening thing is he only gets 3 matches

He should be banned for the amount of time Dixon is out for

And who trained John Wilkin when he rearranged Paul Deacons mouth when he played for Bradford and was out for 6 months, don't remember that do you?

To be fair one of the biggest draws to the derby for me this year is to see how MM deals with Walmsley and Masoe. Very much looking forward to those lads in particular carrying the ball forward against a fired up defense lead by MM and Locky.

Hull KR trained.

Some young players yo can improve discipline, others you can't take the thug out of the man.

Correct me if I am wrong (and I know you will) but did he not sustain that injury against the Kiwi's.

Nigel Vagana!!! I am sure it was he who did Deacon.

I remember the match and there was a Saints player who tackled Deacon in goal. There was nothing mentioned about it at the time, similar to how Burgess stiff arm on Frodsham was deemed a great tackle, that knocked the lad out.

I'm not in favour of players getting penalize by the nnumber of matches missed by the player injured. Very unassuming tackles can cause injury.

Hard to see much of anything from the Vine feed. He went in fast and with seeing in greater detail it's hard to see where the initial impact was. Anyone who can see more than a blur is not telling the truth. It could be very dirty or bounced up off the ball, I'm assuming the penalty of 3 matches means it did not slip up off the ball.

I defo remember the Vagana one as pretty cheap & nasty. Deacon had his arms locked in a tackle with Vagana coming over the top. Deacons face was a real mess after, although he did walk off the field if I remembered right.

It was Wilkin ....believe me 100%

Hard to tell if it was intentional off that little clip. Looks high and obviously hit the jaw but hard to tell off that little shot if it was deliberate.

Quote ="Sunshine state"And who trained John Wilkin when he rearranged Paul Deacons mouth when he played for Bradford and was out for 6 months, don't remember that do you?'" Do you mean this one? www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... njury.html www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... rgery.html

Quote ="Sunshine state"And who trained John Wilkin when he rearranged Paul Deacons mouth when he played for Bradford and was out for 6 months, don't remember that do you?'" Do you mean this one? www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... njury.html www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... rgery.html

The one I'm on about was at Bradford but tell you what just ask his mum and his Aunty they know who it was....stop making out Saints play with halos round their necks

If the only example you can come up with is from 10 years ago, you're really scraping the barrell... You're comparing one incident from 10 years ago to a string of incidents involving McIlorum.

Have you ever wished you didn't get yourself involved in a conversation?

Why should he? Wilkin nearly finished Deacons career. Paul Forber, Sunny Nickle, Paul Davidson all thugs. Loved by Saints fans.

Enforcers are lived by their own fans hated by opposition. Most if us are drawn to the game because if the gladiatorial element of it. Every now and again it spills over. It happens. Move on.

Go watch t & p or football if you don't want to watch players push it to the limit, and pushing it sometimes means you step over it. It is part of what gets the passion flowing.

Terry Newton was a great example, loved by Wigan hated by everyone else, signs for Bradford, loved by Bradford and Wigan. Signs for Wakefield loved by fans of all 3 clubs. Lesson to be learned? Most fans are fickle blinkered morons.

McIllorum an enforcer

He's the typical Maguire/Wane grunt. An average player and a thug lacking in basic intelligence. Newton was the same, utterly pathetic in the 'enforcer' role, never playing his cards at the right time and just becoming an utter liability.