As we all know we look as good as Batley!

But can we really blame Brown? i mean how many coaches are we going to axe or slate as im sure Mcmanus is the man to point the finger at!

Not even a single good halfback! letting Pryce go and getting Lance hohaia was the worst decision in rugby league!

Josh Perry? i play winger but could play better at prop than him!

We have too many OK players and only maybe Roby who is world class at the moment.

In attack we look as boring as Gary Lineker on match of the day ona Saturday night!

We are in danger of really struggling to keep in the top 5 soon IMO

Yes, it is Brown's fault. See thread below about the coaching problem. Not going to repeat all that again. But basically, he picks the team, and he coaches the defensive and offensive patterns. At the moment, he's picking some truly bizarre teams (and there were other choices - reserves as well as Gaskell), and there is simply no evidence of any attacking patterns at all.

It appears his Huddersfield habits have followed him, slowing down ptb, laying on and cheap shots, it is a pity that the-entertainers tag could soon be lost.

I was disappointed that we came out with what looked like a tactic of hitting Dobson. Not sure if that was down to the coach or Wilkin, but it's what poor teams have tried against Saints in the past. Hit the play maker and shake them up.

The 2nd half showed we could match them, but the first 30 we where just very poor with ball in hand. Not talking crisp passes, just poor going forwards with simple drives.

Perhaps its time to look at your chairman, Browns record was there for all to see.
Its a shame to see a saints side looking so lost.

how long do you think he has left at saints? its hardly like your players have improved under him. is it just the compensation package thats keeping him in the job?

Think we are experiencing the culmination of 5 years of poor recruitment , general decline in playing style and
being too sentimental and soft with former legends. Can't all be Brown's fault. I don't agree with everthing he does or says but to just lump it on him is an oversimplification.



Gaskell is an enigma. Brown didn't stick him in the U20s all last season. Something is amiss regarding Gaskell.

Personally I like the way he has blooded the youngsters. I like the bravery to move Wellens from FB.
I dislike his accommodation of Wellens and Howarth.



Give over Entertainers tag went years ago , by the end of Potters tenure certainly.

Potter killed off the Entertainers tag. The rot really kicked in with him.

Its not Browns fault he has been given a team with only one pivotal player, so no let him carry on and develop Swift, Percival and Charnock for next season. Turner, Makinson, Lomax, Walmsley, Greenwood are doing OK at the moment under Brown. Sia has turned into our best player under Brown.
We might get the best tactical coach in the game but if we don,t have those pivotal players at 6 and 7 then nothing will change.

I don't blame Brown one little bit. We pointed the finger at potter, Simmons and rush but now its Browns turn! The blame at some point has to fall at the players feet as well as McManus.

Brown has come to this club having to deal with McManus and past coaches poor recruitment and retention. He's got over the hill rubbish props in Laffranchi and perry, he's got a poor second row trying to play scrum half in Jon wilkin and anyone the cap fits to play stand off.

You could put the best coach in the world in charge of this team and he would fail. Its a very very poor team and a very very poor squad.

He's had it tough with Roby, Lomax, Manu, TP, Ade, Wheeler and Perry missing most the season. I think we would have won our last two games with those players on the pitch.

So IMO the blame falls at the feet of McManus for allowing ex coaches recruit rubbish and retain players on longer deals like wilkin getting 5 year deal, lance hohaia being signed as a halfback on a 4 year deal etc

Well, I was told repeatedly that everything was all Simmons' fault in 2012 so if that is the case then the present situation must be all Brown's fault!

However, striking a serious note, I think it's a mixture of the two in this instance.

The years of poor recruitment decisions are finally starting to bite, the succession of Grand Final finishes papered over a lot of cracks.

At last someone else singing from the same hymn sheet as me and saddened

Its not Brown's fault, no. It's McManus' fault. It is his narrow mindedness that has left us with our season over in April and sat mulling over the worst Saints side in 20 years.

Having said that, Brown is not a Saints coach.

Really think once u get a few players back ie Roby, Manu and lomax ul be a totally different outfit

Pretty much sums it up !
Our GF appearances have flattered to deceive

Bang on IMO

The only thing that you can hold against brown is Gaskell, but if they don't rate him currently...well that's what he's paid to judge.

Howarth in at 6 was bizarre, but he's having to try anything to get us through. We need a half. I said last week that if we are going to stick with Wilkin (which I think is pretty much a guarantee) then the club are writing off this season and it's clear that they lack ambition.

I'm glad McManus dragged us out the poop when he came on board, and I'm over the moon that he delivered a stadium, but if he isn't going to invest in the team then what's the point of him keeping saints? We could have had Koukash!

Even though we have not been at our best for a few seasons now I do think some of our players seem to be struggling under Brown compared to last season. Just putting a balanced team out each week would help and stop making changes when they are not needed.

We struggled under Rush playing a 'safe' team last season too, difference now is that we are struggling with a team where the coach is trying something different.

I'd rather the coach do his job and try things.

IMO we are a lot worse this season with virtually the same team than under our "fill" in coach, now CEO.
In fact he has two signingings in Manu and Turner joining the team which should have improved it.

As stated in many threads his choice of HB's is bizzaire even if it is mainly as a result of injuries.
would any of the aforementioned coaches play Wello and Wilkin as a HB pair - would any SL coach, no matter how desparate?

But is it mainly as a result of injuries though? Brown claimed to have spoken to Wello in the off season about Lomax playing at fullback, so that's one of our halfbacks moved but not as a result of injury. Gaskell was shipped out, again not as a result of injury. Wheeler's absence IS a result of injury but then he is injured so often that nobody in their right mind would depend on his presence. That leaves us with whichever young halves we have in the under 19s, and he's played one for one half of a match. I find it bemusing that he hasn't at least tried to blood one of our young halfbacks since ditching Gaskell.

He tried Charnock tbf and he was pretty anonymous (in the snow admittedly) and Yates has been injured.

Well, it was his debut and in the snow, as you say. Didn't I read somewhere that Swift is a halfback?

Think he first came to the club as a stand off, but with Meli possibly be out for the season he will probably find himself out on the wing.
Brown will rotate Lance, Howarth, Wellens and Charnock at 6, none of them capable of controlling a game.

How depressing that sounds.