Good squad strength at start of season

Conceded over 100 points in first 4 games.

Consistently under using the match 17

Why exactly did we sign Hohia?

Note not Simmons out, but ....he's under pressure surely?

ffs it is only early doors the saints will be there or there abouts

maybe the it is the turn of other clubs to do well and not just the usuall suspects

Yep, he is the PERFECT man for the job

The points conceded are a concern, but it's too early to say the coach is under pressure.

I'm just starting the debate.

I can see a developing squad at Saints that looks up there with the 2006 last GF winning team. But have we got the coach?

LoL, he'll be as unpopular with you lot as Mick Potter is if you dont win anything this year.

same thing happened in last year's grand final we were putting up a contest.then low and behold the defence just went to pieces AGAIN...it seems simmons or the rest of our overated team hasn't learned a thing.

This is the sort of thread I'd expect from clueless Leeds fans. The guy has taken you to a Grand Final already, which many would say you were unlucky to lose (Shenton and Wellens injuries), has integrated a whole host of young players into your squad, many in key positions and has seemingly coped well with the losses of the likes of KC and Graham.

You won't be the only good side to be beaten by a very good Catalans side this year either

Why the hell didnt he play your best team against a team like Catalans? Cant understand what he was thinking.

I think the worry is where we that good in the first half or where catalans that poor?

It seams we can play great but not play for the full 80.


Best team? It was hardly a shoddy line up, we can argue a couple of players but the majority of that team where our best.

Take it from a Leeds fan, don't do this.

that!!!

what have leeds got to do with saints losing. All in all for a neutral iy=t was a good game spoiled by a weak referee, but he was not biased.

It's an internet forum it's going to happen.

In the end most Saints fans have no problem with Royce and there will be no pushing him out, we don't sack coaches before the end of contract unless they are disciplinary.

My major concern is the back on the bench. I think Royce has shown he is flexible enough to move big name players to the bench or to the non-playing squad.

The rugby we play is sterile to say the least.If you analyse our tries,most start within 30 metres of the opposition's line on the back of penalties.How many times did we break the line tonight?Simmons reign will end the same as Potter's-trophyless.

Nice to see it's not just the Leeds fans who are complete 'fekwits'.

He got us to a grand final in an injury ravaged season, yes hes the man for the job

A big change round in personnel is required at the end of the season (including the coach).

weve got to a few grand finals...but never won any of em recentley so its a waste of time going.

I suppose the question is right man for what????

It's very early and we are still going well even with this loss, league wise. Many other teams will fall to Catalan.

I don't think Royce will turn Saints into a bottom of the league side.

Will he win stuff????? His rotation would suggest he is end loading the season, but if we can't sure up the defence, it could be too little to late. Not every team can do a Leeds each year? It would only have taken one game, one goal kick for the Leeds season go from being a champion team to a team outside the top 4. Winning is everything, but for Leeds and the Coach it was the definition of that, from a disappointing season to a glorious season in a few games.

Getting to a grand final is all well and good,Potter did it twice and he had injuries to deal with along the way.Just because we got there doesnt automatically mean he is the man for the job.

You really think so? I'm not so sure anymore, the last 2 games have been poor defensively and if dont improve by vast amounts we wont have the problem of another grand final to bottle

Whether Simmons is the right man is debatable. I wouldn't make any hasty decisions right not as it is far too early. That said, I suspect McManus' patience will not be endless now the stadium is in place.

No but unless someone awesome turns up mid season, then who???

Bar the return of Anderson or Meninga suddenly being interested, even if our form stays patchy Saints won't drop Royce and in my opinion neither should they. Unless you are going to get a absolute great , (by what ever measure you use) then you need consistency, not a gamble.

Very dissapointed with Simmo so far this season, hasn,t got the team prepared right, no gameplans and structure in the team. Not sure if this rotation of players is right, maybe try it when the team is on form but its unsettling the team at the moment.

Seems as though we have a whole backline that are very much hit and miss so far. The only player with any credit so far is Sia Soliola.