I have been having a discussion with our less intelligent friends from the other side of 'Th Lump' and I believe that Rangi Chase deserves far more credit than he has recieved this year. They argue that it is easy for him to stand out in an 'average' side whereas I believe its harder to get true recognition for your work when surrounded by weaker players as you have very little support for example not much platform to play off.

Am I right or wrong

No you pick and choose which questions to answer Sam is the best player in the league by quiet a bit doesn't mean people think Chase is rubbish

Quite?



Believe it or not not everything is about Wigan and your pecious little SAM. I was stating a fact about Chase and you thought it would be worth singins Tomkins praise and other past Wigan players.

I think its great news that he's shown loyalty and sticking with Cas next season. They gave him his chance to prove himself in super league and he must be greatful for that. You don't get that much these days because players just move for money. Going to Wigan, Warrington or any other top team doesn't mean it will work out good for him. What will Ratchford achieve at Warrington? I think he will struggle to get to get into the team.

Works both ways. At cas, he's the big fish, everything goes through him and all the other players will follow his lead. If he moved to a club with more big names and had to fit in with a different game plan, it may not suit.
Look how Danny Orr faired for Wigan after starring for Cas 1st time round.

it's not a case of staying loyal, he now has been found guilty of an offence that carries a custodial sentence, said sentence is suspended at the moment, if he leaves Castleford he has to re-apply for a visa, which the smart money says he wouldn't get.

to answer the question, yes, he deserves way more credit than the goon fans are prepared to give, but likewise "Stupendous Sam" isn't quite the messiah they think he is, one day soon he'll get thumped for his whining and cheating ways by someone bigger who doesn't care about the consequences.

I'm glad that Rangi Chase plays for us.

I'm with you. You just need to remember how little airtime the up and coming players at Quins get - and Dan Sargeson (sp?) may be a genius but would we know? - to realise that being in a team that doesn't have cash to burn and influence to make means it is more difficult to prove yourself as a fine player. Also, it is quite likely that the team around you will not all play to your standard, so the chances to truly shine will be difficult to come by. Rangi Chase shows flashes of brilliance in most of the matches I have watched him playing - that pass at Hull KR for example was just amazing (far better than anything Sam Tomkins has come up with, that's for sure!). But playing with players who are not as good as he is means that that talent will always be pegged back. Yet in spite of that, Rangi Chase still manages to show those flashes of brilliance.

he's lucky to be playing for anyone the naughty naughty boy

cough "gareth" cough "hock" cough?

Rangi Chase is a fantastic player, probably the most skillful in the league.

Nice to see I'm not talking broken biscuits

Completely agree with this.

He is probably the most naturally gifted player in the SL,IMO.

I agree. I think he could look even better under Millward, given Millward's tendency towards a more expansive style of rugby and looking at how he has brought on Jamie Ellis.

They're both very skilful and attract attention because every now and then they will do something spectacular but their total contribution to a game pales by comparrison to Roby/M. Monaghan/Leulai.
When it comes to awards they're the guys who should be getting the plaudits.


S57

From a Wigan point of view, Tomkins is leagues above Leuluai, and Leuluai is probably around the same league as Roby/Monaghan, so that answers that one.

I'd love Chase to sign for Wigan. Class act as he showed in the Exiles game.

Some of us take a broader point of view.


S57

Good for you.

W'n

Another point to add to the Chase argument is that when ever other teams play Cas the opposition coach often says we'll have to stop Chase to win, he's often the sole target of the opposition defence who will work on plans to stop him, as stopping him does stop Cas.

I know it is true that other top players in super league are targetted but stopping Tomkins doesn't stop Wigan, stopping Monaghan doesn't stop Warrington and stopping Roby doesn't stop Saints all the top teams have other players to distract the oppositions attention from their superstars, Chase takes all of the attention for himself and quite often is still unstoppable.

As a Cas fan I have obvious bias but I'd not rather have any other player in Super League in my team.

Hope you keep hold of him pal, don't get pillaged, again.

did a silly thing, served his time, end of.

Edited for accuracy

Is that a wink, or a picture of Ben Harrison?