Seriously was that a eight point try ? You see that nearly every single week. I don't think It would have made difference to the score at all but it's two weeks in a row we've had two unusual calls against us.

How many teams have a eight point try against them in a season? How many have a penalty try against them in a season? We've had both in two weeks.

Our discipline isn't good enough but jesus we getting hammered on the penalty count big time.

Every game I watch that involve Robert Hicks and Phil Bentham are ruined due to them awarding penalties for everything.

I thought the penalty try was fair. I thought the 8 pointer was fair on first viewing. Subsequent viewings I thought it was maybe overcooked.

As for the penalties, it's not the refs imo. I used to shout at the ref for awarding penalties. Now I find myself shouting at the players! Some of those penalties are just stupid. You can see them coming, and I don't understand why the players can't!

Could he not have gone to the video ref ?

No it wasn't and as a PieEater I think the foul on Walmsley which got him over charged should have been a red card to the Hull player.

Saints player put on report for brushing past Bentham ?? This is becoming a joke , quite clearly accidental , quick word from the VR sorts it there and then . No case to answer .

slid into carlos with his knees, does that on the field of play its a penalty, so correct decision

as for the turget incident, no complaints, but how peyroux got away with just a penalty and no sin bin for a blatent shoulder charge on sneyd is why many fans get peed off with our officials!

That was exactly how I saw it. I think he should have checked with the video ref. Turgut should have been sent off and Peyroux given at least 10 minutes.

On the replay it clearly shows he didn't slide in wirh his knees. All on the sky team agreed.

He should have gone to the video ref as the game was still on knife edge. I don't think the eight point try changed the game tbh, I think Hull was the better team and deserved the win without shadow of a doubt.

it was late, still a penalty as he made contact with carlos well after he grounded the ball

Not sure it's in the VR protocol that can allow a view. I watched this game as a neutral by the way.
First view looked bad, second view on sky looked innocuous, third and subsequent view looked again and went yep it deserved action there was no need for him to do it. Flow of a game can effect these types of decisions. Was it accidental or deliberate? With what had happened earlier in the game with that player were his actions as a result of that and was he looking for some revenge?.
Fwiw for me I think the shoulder charge on Sneyd could easily have been yellow, that was a let off. The elbow on the ground yellow was sufficient, I thought that had given you the game though.

On the video you clearly see his right knee connect with his side round about kidney level

Um... no. The replay clearly shows his right knee sliding into Carlos well after the ball was grounded. And Cummings agreed with the penalty, correctly pointing out that there was plenty of time to pull out of the tackle and no real need to attempt it in the first place. The other muppets waffled a lot, but we also had them defending a forward shoulder-charging a halfback in the head, so meh.

Liam Farrell had an 8 point try awarded against him last season for much the same thing (Wire at the DW). He also got a 1 match ban. I think this incident was very similar in that both players went in after the ball was grounded and in both instances could have pulled out of the challenge if they'd wanted to.

That said, you'll see similar instances throughout the season that don't get penalised. We certainly did last year and I found myself commenting more than once "what was the difference..?" As ever it comes down to consistency. We just can't seem to get any from our current crop of referees.

At the same time I think Peyroux was a very lucky boy to stay on the field, as it was direct contact to the head with the shoulder, so I suppose you could argue that the inconsistency benefitted both sides at different points in the match.

Another nonsense decision against us. You do start to wonder if there is some form of bad feeling from the referees at the moment. We wouldn't get either of the decisions this week or last weeks. Perhaps though we just notice them more because we're terrible and near the bottom.

Never mind eh?

I guess all them years at the top gaining dubious decisions in your favour have finally been snuffed out. Welcome to the real world of rugby where you get jack poop down at the bottom end

I was more upset / annoyed with Hulls tactics throughout the match to be honest especially from Mane Fonua and Tuimavave and by that I mean constant diving after the tackle when playing the ball it was an absolute disgrace especially from Fonua. They should be penalised every time.


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How many times did the linesman enter the field of play to stop the game? I lost count.

and saints players didnt do the same? talk about blinkered! both teams did that and moved off the mark!

I dunno about the slide in, it did look a bit unnecessary but he did kinda pull out of it, a penalty was probably the most that could be given for it, nobody is saying anything about the player playing dead after it, or the ott reaction from some of the Hull players, but that's their default demeanor these days, exaggerate everything to the max.
I'd like to see the shoulder on Sneed again, from what I remember Sneed put that ball on his foot knowing he was gonna get clattered, that was the play, to get a penalty first, scoring was secondary.
Peyroux was set to tackle at some speed, he's only got a fraction of a second to cancel that order, he has momentum how does he avoid Sneed now he doesn't have the ball....I dunno, Sneed ain't gonna check his run when he's looking for a penalty, so I suppose we're left with Peyroux not trying hard enough to avoid contact, there was always gonna be contact no matter what and ended up being a block with potential to be something worse.
So...penalty then, which is what happened.
Its gonna look like I'm coming down on Hull but I'm neutral and just saying what I see, the elbow on the floor was an utter f****** disgrace, good job I'm not on the panel cos I'd give that **** 5 games for that and be thankful Warmsley walked away with his face still in one piece.

For a neutral that's one hell of a one sided view. Some of it is valid (or at least on this planet). But Sneyd playing for a penalty and Peyroux simply struggling to avoid the contact? Complete nonsense.

My view of the incidents as follows:

8 point try: It was a foul so with the rules as they are you can't say its the wrong call. However, I've seen dozens of those over the years and can't remember the last 8PT, so I can see where the frustration is from.

Peyroux: Shoulder charge with contact to the head. I personally don't think it warranted a red, but players have been sent off for less. Yellow for me. He'll get banned at least two games, and you lot should be celebrating that fact, because he's one of the worst players I've seen wear the red vee.

Turgut: Surprised about the (over)reaction to this. No complaints about the yellow, it was a cheap shot, and can't blame Walmsley for reacting, but really he didn't do much more than give him a facial. Hardly a forearm smash. Smacked to me of a young player wanting to stamp his mark on the game and show he wasn't intimidated, but going about it all wrong. He'll probably get banned (don't think he would have played next week anyway), he'll learn a lesson. Walmsley will have already forgotten about it and will get worse next week.

Well I'm Wakey, I couldn't care less, its all about opinions.

Turgut....a bit of a facial ??

I thought it was a UFC strike on the ground with no capacity for lessening the impact, it had buckets of potential for serious injury.
we'll just have to disagree and that's that.

I thought the 8 point try was probably harsh in the context of recent seasons however I would back it 100% if it was applied consistently the rest of this season.

As for the elbow on Walmsley, I don't think it was serious enough to warrant a red card. I think a sin bin is about right for that. However he should also have received a good smack from Walmsley too.

Don't forget a Saints player (was it Peyroux?) should've been sinbinned for the late hit on Sneyd. So it wasn't all one way.

If I were a Saints fan I'd be much more concerned about Cunningham's continual strange comments to the press rather than the 8 point try.

I just really don't think Cunningham is cut out to be a head coach. He's clearly too emotional.

Too often he completely slates his team in the press or blames some other factor like the ref.

Either way it's not responsible for a head coach and doesn't help the mentality of his team in my opinion

This is exactly the point; it was a penalty all day long, and as it was in the act of scoring, a penalty try was the right decision...

But - this happens every week in every game, and isn't penalised - and therein lies the problem; a total lack of consistency, which is extremely frustrating, especially for fans of a team in your position - and evidently the coach, who can't help but blame the officials for every loss as he sees his P45 looming large.

Personally I don't think 8 point tries are awarded often enough. Players seem to see it as open season for a cheap shot to take out their frustration when someone is scoring a try. Refs generally just let it go. If it would be a penalty in normal play it should be an 8 point try.

Inconsistency is exactly the issue with it - Albert Kelly did exactly the same to Percival when he scored earlier and nothing was said (ironically given a warning from disciplinary for doing it too whilst Walmsley has a charge to answer to). Not sure how 2 people doing the exact same thing in the same game can have such different outcomes and that is the frustrating part.

Maybe if Percival had joined the footballer's school of acting that Tuimavave (and various other Hull players) seem to have been taking and held his head/rolled about on floor we could have got something too - but thats certainly an aspect we dont need in our game