You will struggle to find a worse Three Quarter line than that tonight in the history of Super League.

Mcdonnell
Owens
Dawson
Turner
Spedding

That is truely shocking. Absolute garbage

Take 4 first choice players out of any teams three quarter line in SL and see what their replacements are. It will be kids and squad players on cack money cos of the salary cap.

Yup, add Percy, swift, Tommy and j-lo and it's a lot better but hardly world class either

So many quality players needed to add to this squad it's scary.

Totally average squad and not many I'd actually keep if had a choice.

Imo we will end up in transition again after only just coming out of it. How we can win the grand final and then end up like this is unreal.

I remember in his Salford days Jordan Turner being compared to a young Ellery Hanley in the press. I can only assume at the time young Jordan was a cracking car thief as that is where the comparisons end.

Woeful player.

All sword, no shield.

Is wing Spedding's natural position? I am certainly not blaming him for last night; he had the misfortune of being outside of Turner who put in one of the worst 'centre' performances I can remember; it's just that he seems to be an identikit Saints winger - no real size or pace.

Reminded me of Foster, left in "no mans" land at times. Good drop off pass to Fages for his try though.

Anybody know when Swift and Percival is back, we need one of those back ASAP.

+1

I said all this about Turner two years ago and was shot down. The guy is a terrible player. His defence is on par with Sargison as the worst in super league.

The biggest problem with me regarding Turner is the fact he's no heart and soft. He goes off with every little bang he gets and never willing to put his body on the line.

When Percival and Peyroux return I would put Turner and Dawson on the wings. Which might be unfair to Dawson because he's done a reasonable job to cover.

I'd have Dawson over Peyroux to be honest. I'd release Peyroux altogether, absolute joke of a signing.

We should really write this season off now and go with only players we see having a future. The likes of Nzongou, Wellington, Grace and Richardson should all be playing now if we see them playing in the future.

According to the club website a bloke called Johnny Lomax has been selected for the reserves this weekend.

Local Lad. Not a bad player.

Why are so many people pinning their hopes on Lomax? Before his injuries he was a good player. Good, no outstanding, not great, not even very good and certainly not the second coming of Jonathon Thurston like so many on here think he is.

The poor lad will be a scapegoat within a month of his return

Regards

King James

He was so important to our attack it was unreal. He can make something happen and at fullback teams struggled with him as he has freedom to drift in and out the game

J-lo's games was based on being able change direction quickly and wrong footing defences. This mobility requires great knee flexibility, which I doubt he still has, but I hope to be proved wrong

If he comes back fit I would keep Mc Donnell out wide as he hasn't done much wrong; or right unfortunately as he doesn't add much to our awful attack from FB.
Dawson has grown on me but Turner has lost whatever it was when we signed him from Hull.

He has no defence, no attack, no positional sense, no passing; just woeful.

I just hope Lomax comes back with conviction but I'm not holding my hopes up as it will be tough for him.

An 80% Lomax is good enough for this standard of Superleague at the moment. Turner needs to be dropped when we get our injured players back, its a pity though that our coaching team can't sort his weakness's out or maybe its just not in him to progress. Dawson has improved this year and looks better at centre than wing just needs to use his winger (when we have one) a bit more.

Doesn't show how our standards have dropped if Dawson is now classed decent?

All Nathan Brown's hard work in his two years has been ruined in one and half years of KC and company. After 4 years of transition we are now back to square one and it's hard to argue that we are in the worst shape since super league started.

It needs a coach to come in again like Brown did and cut the dead wood and bring in some good players.

For me all the players in going to list are not good enough. I know we can't cut then all due to contracts etc but I'd cut these if possible

SMD
Peyroux
Turner
Dawson
Owens
Burns
Walsh
Richards
Tasi
Wilkin (got to be first out the door)

We then have the borderline players that hanging by a thread

Lomax (based on injures)
Walsh
Tommy
Greenwood
LMS (probably our best player this year but imo it's wanting new contract form)
Vea.

Easier to add who I'd keep tbh but can add Savelio to this list who's been awful this year.

It was the Travis Burns Show in the reserves today with a scoreline unconfirmed of around 48 to 18 (Saints). Also unconfirmed think Johnny Lomax got injured in the game, Cunningham and Long in attendance to see who they can play next week.

Oh for the love of all that is holy. Enough.

"Just" a facial injury apparently

I have to disagree with you here. You are normally bang on but not with this. Ive watched us home and away for years and he certainly was never a player to just make things happen in the same way that Longy used to. Not trying to bag him as hes a good player, just no where near as good as the majority of Saints fans think he is

Regards

King james

Longy was a 7 involved in the middle of the park , Jonny was fullback who drifts in and out the game.

Longy is the biggest match winner I've ever seen. The amount of games he's won for Saints is probably different level to any saints player in our history. He was a born match winner.

Lomax is/was the perfect modern day fullback. He's safe on kicks, good in defence, clears his line well, acts as the extra pivot and basically good all round.