what a load of garbage that was...to be nilled like that when your top of the league is a complete joke..alright we know the bounce of the ball..and some of childs decisions went against us...but to just plod up the middle (at walking pace).is not good enough..our defence in the middle of the field was awfull...eamon should pay another visit to the dressing room after that farce and tell em if they dont buck their ideas up theyre out!....i feel sorry for all the speccies that's travelled to france to watch such a disgracefull performance!

Bounce of the ball and referee had nothing to do with it. It's all attitude. Defence is about attitude and we lack that big time.

there doesn't seem to be any urgency in the team at all...wouldn't surprise me if eamon did something about that (being nilled by such a large score) because you know and i know he would't have liked that!..i was calling castlefords performance last night...at least they scored...we were even worse!

The fans are the ones I feel for. Can you imagine if you went to the Magic weekend and this game tonight? Once again hands should be heading into pockets in the boardroom at Saints, but won't.

He will be hurt after that. He knows fans paid hard earned cash to go over there and witness that. I'd like to be a fly on the wall of McManus and Browns coffee meeting next week.

I don't see the point in signing anyone while we have the coaching staff we have. They seem to ruin any player with ability within a few months of the season starting.

I am not too sure it was a joke, there was nothing funny about it. What it was, was an embarrassment for all the fans. There is just no fire in the players belies, tonight they were two yards slower than Catalans in all departments.

But isn't McManus the man who brought in Brown and the players Saints have signed? Or do you think he has been poorly advised, if so by whom?

At the time Brown was high flying with hudds and did a terrific job for them. I think the hudds fans forgot where they was when he took over and what players he brought in.

He needs to be ruthless and drop certain players. He's been banging on about it but never did it. Now is the time.

Didnt Huddersfield lose 9 out of the last 10 Brown was in charge ?

Straight after he confirmed he was leaving for Saints yes.

Rouges I think you may be doing Brown an injustice here, he has realised that finishing top is the poisoned chalice.

He has set his sights on finishing 4th or with a bit more effort even 5th.

If the unthinkable did happen,and saints won the gf wouldn't that mean they weren't the true champions.

McManus, Mike Rush and the coach decide which players to recruit. Brown is safe because McManus said when he appointed Brown that it was only Brown he was after. Foolish not to interview a selection of coaches IMO.

They always slid down the table at some point under him, even before he said he was leaving.

And they didn't win anything when he was coach. They managed to get to one final in his first year. He was there four years if memory serves.

Paul Anderson finally got them to win something, the season after Brown left.

Brown's previous team didn't win anything under him either.

He isn't a winning coach.

If you look where hudds was when he took over and where they are now, I honestly believe he had a Massive part in that as did maguire at Wigan which wane benefited off.

Maguire won things with Wigan.

It's possible that Brown is a very likeable chap who works well with players on an individual basis, although today that wasn't remotely in evidence. However, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about turning a group of individuals into a winning team. Huddersfield won something AFTER Brown had left. I don't know about his Australian team coz I can't even remember which team it was he coached now but I remember they didn't win anything while he was coach.

We won't win a thing with him here and unfortunately we are going to see a lot more shellackings while he is here too because a winning team begins with a winning mentality, and we don't have that.

Not many coaches do win things with only two cups on offer and the hub cap. Just like Royce, potter and rush before him.

We have played a better brand of rugby this year which has made games more enjoyable than the last 4 years of boredom.

Has Brown improved us, then I'd say yes he has, we are winning more games than we have on the past. I also think some saints fans get really carried away with our squad when in reality it's not so great, it's full of weakness and players that are not good enough.

I don't think we can win anything with this squad even if we had the best coach in the world. Potter, Royce, rush and now Brown have failed (if he don't win anything) so maybe just maybe the players are just not good enough.

I could list the players that IMO isn't good enough and honestly it would leave us not being able to field 7 a side team.

We can have some of the best coaches and players at the club but the conclusion will be the same unless we look deeper towards the structure and culture at the club.
It,s something McManus has struggled with since leaving Knowsley Road albeit with the occaisional historical quotes in the match program to remind the club where they should be.
On the pitch we are very short of inspirational players to influence players with the right atitude, hence the retention of Wello and Wilkin.
Someone needs to step up in prominence to be a leader on the pitch, we,ve not had anybody for the last 3 years capable of doing this.

Until Good Friday I would agree with you, yes. We had been playing a better brand of rugby but then we have also had a 7 and a pacey backline, which has helped in that regard.


Are we? Last year ended up in 5th, the first time in years, and had spent a sizeable time in 9th. Under Brown we have been nilled for the first time since 2007 and we exited the cup at the first round since God knows when (having made it to the semi finals 12 consecutive years previously). We made it through to the next round this year thanks only to playing against 12 men and a dodgy penalty! So how are we winning more games exactly?


Our forwards are lazy (bar Wilkin and Robes) but there's nothing wrong with our backline or our halves. So we have the same problem we've had since James Graham left but Brown hasn't fixed it with his recruitment has he? We can't even get one of them on the field!


We are a totally different team now to when Potter was in charge, even to when Simmons was in charge. You can't compare because most of them are different players.


Most of this team are good enough. It's their attitude which isn't. And that attitude isn't helped by the tactics (tinkering, in the main) and attitude of the coach and possibly the club too.

People are born leaders IMO. We have a lot of passive players in our team, Roby included. I don't think we have a leader in there and maybe that says more about the people recruiting/promoting players than about the players. If you recruit/promote passive players then you have no leaders.

I consider Brown to be a similar coach to Eric Hughes for us ,we are a better squad under him than the previous 3 coaches despite some recent terrible performances .
But we don't have a killer instinct to go that bit extra and win a big game , maybe Brown , like Hughes, is not capable of coaching that.
I'd still be happy for Brown to see out his current deal then look to recruit a real ruthless coach .

When I was watching last night I was surprised at the amount of effort that some Saints players were putting into the game. Earlier in the season we were poop real poop, we didn't turn things around until mid May but prior to that time I didn't question the effort our team were putting in.

Last night was one of two things, just a plain old bad day at the office or a sign of more deeper problems within Saints.
You now have two really big games coming up in Cas at home & the Pies away, take two or more points from those games and you can say you are back on track and Perpignan was a horrible blip. It would not surprise me if you took the four points from the two games.

I still think that Saints will finish in the top three and along with Wire, Wigan & Leeds make up the four teams to contest the Grand Final eliminating games.

Thank god we've only got Cas and Wigan next...

I have never seen such poor tackling from a Saints side, shirt grabbing, Catalan just seemed to be able to walk past players.