In a long long time. So poor I'm embarrassed to watch us huff and puff around the field. HKR with all due respect are not a good team but made us look p!ss poor , especially in the first half. If Dobson wasnt playing on 1 leg the score might have been alot worse

Utterly horrendous outcome. Hate to say I told you do but after eight years of moaning I am proved 100% correct.

McManus needs to go.

Sadly not as easy as just getting rid of the owner as he is the money man



This is just a terrible terrible team , trying really hard simply isnt enough for a club like Saints.

Drama queens

Don't be ridiculous.

He saved us from going under and has got us into a superb stadium.

What does have to happen is he has to realise he's in a results based business.

He now needs to look to his very poor efforts in recruitment and URGENTLY improve the team.

The question is HOW!

He's put no effort at all into the playing side of things. Massive change of pace needed or he needs to go.

OH how we wish Dr Koukash had dropped the cheque in McManus's pocket!

Really , we are out of the cup , have no halfbacks and no chance of getting to the grand final short of a miracle , the decline has been gradual but I just hope we've hit rock bottom. The only other thing that could go wrong now this year is to not make the playoffs .....


This is the worst Saints 'team' Ive seen in a long time and my support goes back a good few years before our Superleague years so I've seen some crap. The club has made some poor decisions regards player retention and recruitment and more tellingly poor calls when it comes to recruiting coaches, Simmons and Potter were very poor choices and have taken us backwards.

It's all fine and well saying we have a great stadium but it's pointless having a great stadium if it's home to a poor team as it will be a great empty stadium.

If he had I suspect we'd be looking at a Dobson/Chase partnership next season. As it is we'll probably be looking at Wilkin/Wellens and a load of PR coming out of the club telling us how much we have o look forward too.

Easily the worst team I've seen at Saints, too many average/below average players stealing a living. I'd rather throw the young lads in, at least they'd show some fight and desire, this season's a write off now. We've got 3 players taking up quota spots who offer absolutely nothing at all.

Wigan fan in peace. I hope you guys get it together that team isn't worthy of the St Helens dynasty. It's no good for the league this

It's true. The season has gone. Let's stop making excuses and start filling spots with young players who can toughen up before next year. Percival needs to be starting games and playing throughout. The reserve halfbacks need to be in there - they simply can't be worse than the options we have. Wellens, god bless him, needs to be shuffled off to a mentor role and stop taking a shirt which a younger, faster, fitter, bigger forward might fill. Howarth needs to return to Salford. LMS needs to be dropped until his form picks up.

Get the young lads in. There's no point persisting with a poor team of out-of-form, out-of-position old stagers who are gaining nothing from the experience.

Biggest over reaction I have ever seen! OK no one enjoyed watching that or some of the stuff we have produced this season but do people remember Lomax, Roby, Manu, Flanagan and a fully fit TP? Some of our big names are missing and I think we are coping as well as we can. Obviously we need recruitment but theres not a lot we can do mid season.

And for next season, we need to be looking at the best OOC players from other clubs, like Hanbury and Sneyd, and not being beaten to it by other teams as has been the case in recent years. They're not world beaters, but they're the time of players we need and would make a difference.

Starting to look like the Wigan of 2005. We all know what happened next...

I've been saying the same thing since 2008 about us not willing to build and how we lack ambition.

I'm not going to complety bag off McManus but its about time he either looked for someone with ambition to build a successful club to join forces with him or to find someone to replace him.

We've been on the slide for many years and the excuse of transition has been used but IMO its lack of ambition that's killed us.

I disagree. Today's performance is similar to previous performances this season. The impact of those performances is cumulative.

No, it's not an overreaction. Look at the players you've listed. Lomax was beginning to look like a good fullback, but our form is so poor that we were talking about him as if he's a new messiah. Compare him to Tompkins, and ask whether we're not clutching at straws a bit even with our star player. Roby has undoubtedly been a superb servant, but for about twelve months now, he's been a shadow of his former self offensively, and this injury suggests he's no longer as resilient as he once was. He wouldn't have made the winning difference even today against a journeyman HKR side. As for Manu and Flanagan, it is utterly tragic that anyone might think that these are two star players who would make the difference. Flanagan is a workhorse whose only difference from Clough's unremarkable tackling machine is that he's a different body shape. Manu is going to cost us far more games than he wins us with his brainfart offloads and penalties.

That's the point. Bring those four back into the side, and we still lose, because fundamentally, we do not know what we're doing on the pitch. There is no plan, and there is no creativity. Pedestrian, passive, incoherent play.

We're in deep doodoo, and making like ostriches isn't going to sort this out.

So which of the above is a halfback? It's not an overreaction I mean what I say when say this is THE worst Saints side in many many years. Utter garbage

Its the worst saints team I've seen in super league and that's without doubt!

I was going to list the players that ain't good enough but it be quicker to name the players that are good enough (excluding youngsters)

Lomax
Makinson
Roby
Sia
Walmsley

There are some good individuals in this side who could make the nucleus of a very good side.

However because of the lack of pack and halves, the sum of our parts is less than the individuals themselves.

The season is I believe a complete right off, I think the best we could hope for is to make the top 8, but when you consider that mid table sides like Hull KR, Bradford and Hull FC are stronger than us, then its looking like a big ask.

Personally think that from now on we should use the rest of the season to develop our kids and help bring them through. I would look at giving the likes of Carl Forster a run out in the front row, same also for Jordan Hand.

We will lose games playing them but ultimately it should play dividends, not this season, but a season or two down the line.

I think we would have won that game today if all those injured players were playing this afternoon. Also we said at the beginning of the season we will not get to any final without half backs, we are what we are a mid table team, people should stop torturing themselves and accept it for this season.

I think we could have won that game today if we had played in the first half like we did for half of the second half. Our problem, aside from any coaching issues, is attitude. Our discipline stunk to high heaven in the first half and we got exactly what we deserved. I don't think our injured players would have made any difference at all today.

I'm happy to accept it as long as the club are happy to accept me and I suspect many other not renewing season tickets until we show some bloody ambition

From the current team, the first team players I'd want here next season are Turner, Soliola, Meli (if there's no other option), Lomax, Roby, LMS (if he pulls his finger out and his form picks up), Puletua, Manu, Flanagan, Wheeler (if he sorts his injury problems out), Jones, Gaskell, Makinson, Greenwood, Walmsley, Swift, Walker and Percival. Sack the rest off, giving us 3 quota spots and a lot of quota space. They're some decent OOC contract super league players that we should snap instead of losing out to Leeds/Wigan/Huddersfield like we always do. We need a stand off, scrum half, winger, 2 or 3 props and loose in my opinion. This season's a write off for me, lets hope our recruitment kick starts soon so we've got something to look forward to next season.