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| Credit to leeds! brutal in defence very well played! Unlucky Warrington all that hard work for nothing! The reason we should change the play off system
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| As much as I dislike Warrington, they've been the best team in the country by far this year and its a shame that, purely based on the rugby they've played this year, they won't be at Old Trafford.
Even more so, Leeds have been poor all year, and it makes it a bit of a farce that they are in the Grand Final and with a massive chance of winning the competition, despite being the fifth best team in the country.
But Leeds were better tonight, and there was no controversy in my mind regarding the last minute penalty decision. With regards to how the (obviously flawed) play-off system works, Leeds fully deserve their place in the final.
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| What a game - in the end Leeds deserved the spoils. Bet Wire wish they hadn't picked Leeds now. lol
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| Agree 100% that Leeds deserve their place in the final.
Some fans on here were saying they didnt want to reach OT because they didnt want to lose again,
Has that changed now Wire arent there?
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| I'd love a Saints Leeds final - that means Wigan won't be there either.
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| That's a shame. Warrington have been the best team all season and should be at the Grand Final. I feel sorry for the Wire fans as it must be sickening to watch your team wuss out after such a fabulous season.
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| Sorry i dont agree tbh.
We all know how this works now. It doesn't matter what you do all year as long as you hit form for the last 3 or 4 games.
Warrington should have won but looked very nervous to me. I was thinking Wigan would beat us by 8 before this match, but now I think we can do it and go all the way.
Come on you saints.
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| Quote ="Saints_fan_6"Credit to leeds! brutal in defence very well played! Unlucky Warrington all that hard work for nothing! The reason we should change the play off system'"
Warrington didn't have it when it really mattered. They are not yet a champion team. Their senior players bottled it IMO.
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| So once you get the job done tomorrow its going to be normal service resumed.I expect all the old legends to be back on our forum and vice versa.Youve all been missed
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| jog on lol...
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| Warrington have shown they are a consistent team who can play good attractive rugbyt. They therefore deserve the league leaders shield
However tonight and the challenge cup quarter final against Wigan showed that when it comes down to it they are not made of the stuff of champions.
True champions rise to the occasion. Warrington failed to do so.
I think it also asks the question of whether tonights defeat was a symbol that they have passed the peak of this sides achievements.
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| Too many of our top players had a quiet night-M Monaghan, Bridge, Atkins, Myler etc.
Never thought I would say this, but ....Come on you Saints.
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| Good thread this and I'm surprised by the respect Saints fans have for Warrington these days, not like the Wiganers who cream their pies with excitement when we lose.
Quote ="The Chair Maker"
I think it also asks the question of whether tonights defeat was a symbol that they have passed the peak of this sides achievements.'"
It's a good point and I think it could be. Without Matt King next season the back line will be weaker and some of the key players are getting old. I think this was the best chance we had, but we will probably still be contenders next season just not favourites - sort of like Saints and Leeds have been this season, when us and Wigan have enjoyed the position of favourites.
Also this question applies to Wigan as well with no Maguire next season. I wonder if there could be a window of opportunity for Saints to nip back in front of both us and Wigan.
In the longer run I expect Warrington to drop down a little bit in standard in the next few years, maybe not 2012, but from say 2013-14, however what gives me hope now is that the club is well run these days and we will always be a well financed well structured club and so be in the position to be one of the bigger fish in the league, even if the strength of our side waxes and wanes a bit. That wasn't the case a few years ago, we were nowhere near these end of season games.
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| I think the loss of Brett Hodgeson <sp> did massive damage to Wire's game.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Good thread this and I'm surprised by the respect Saints fans have for Warrington these days, not like the Wiganers who cream their pies with excitement when we lose.
It's a good point and I think it could be. Without Matt King next season the back line will be weaker and some of the key players are getting old. I think this was the best chance we had, but we will probably still be contenders next season just not favourites - sort of like Saints and Leeds have been this season, when us and Wigan have enjoyed the position of favourites.
Also this question applies to Wigan as well with no Maguire next season. I wonder if there could be a window of opportunity for Saints to nip back in front of both us and Wigan.
In the longer run I expect Warrington to drop down a little bit in standard in the next few years, maybe not 2012, but from say 2013-14, however what gives me hope now is that the club is well run these days and we will always be a well financed well structured club and so be in the position to be one of the bigger fish in the league, even if the strength of our side waxes and wanes a bit. That wasn't the case a few years ago, we were nowhere near these end of season games.'"
Pretty much agree with this, i expect Wire to be up there, and with your stadium, support base, financial position along with coaching and player setup, i cant see you slipping away too much. Certainly not like Bradford. However you may be a bit like Saints are at present ie a team in transition thats not quite good enough but which is still respected and battling it out in the top 5
With regard to Wigan. I'm of the opinion that next season they will slip up a bit. They also will still be there or there abouts but wont be the team they have been under Mcguire.
The big problem is that there arent enough sides in SL with the ability to put pressure on the current elite teams. I personally think only Hull have the potential in the next couple of years to raise their game to the elite level. Otherwise its going to be Wigan Saints, Leeds, Warrington and Huddersfield battling it out.
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| I agree with that, Hodgson despite his age was a huge signing for us this year, I thought he was better for us even than he was for Hudds in 2009 when he won Man of Steel, or maybe I just noticed him more. We did lose something when he went off without a doubt.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I agree with that, Hodgson despite his age was a huge signing for us this year, I thought he was better for us even than he was for Hudds in 2009 when he won Man of Steel, or maybe I just noticed him more. We did lose something when he went off without a doubt.'"
Said it all along, that perfomance tonight was in the post, just waiting to happen, at least you do not have to folk out money to get humiliated at Old Trafford next week. Look on the bright side.
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| Shame for wire, they've been the best team in the league and deserved to get to old trafford on this years performances alone. Instead we potentially have a team finishing 5th as champions
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Instead we potentially have a team finishing 5th as champions'"
Having been rubbish for most of the season. Bit of a joke really.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Warrington didn't have it when it really mattered. They are not yet a champion team. Their senior players bottled it IMO.'"
i posted this last monday on the "so its wigan" thread
Quote ="CORNISH"leeds will beat the wires .
we will beat the dirty cheating pies.
we will avenge those previous GF defeats to leeds and send graham on his way down under as a CHAMPION.
COYS.'"
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Quote ="Saddened!"Dream on. As if Leeds will come anywhere near Warrington.'"
i accept your apology mate
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| Quote ="Saints_fan_6"Agree 100% that Leeds deserve their place in the final.
Some fans on here were saying they didnt want to reach OT because they didnt want to lose again,
Has that changed now Wire arent there?'"
We've beat you in 3 of the last 4 Grand Finals so regardless of how poor we've been this season I'd have thought Saints would be dreading possibly another GF defeat against Leeds!
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| Quote ="Gandy"We've beat you in 3 of the last 4 Grand Finals so regardless of how poor we've been this season I'd have thought Saints would be dreading possibly another GF defeat against Leeds!'"
You are improving, but i think wire bottled it more than you were great. I'd still rather face you than a full tilt wire team
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| it was fair play to leeds and we tried to push it too much. good luck for later. apart from perry and a few others have you got a full pack out
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| Quote ="Gazwire"it was fair play to leeds and we tried to push it too much. good luck for later. apart from perry and a few others have you got a full pack out
ie. pulutua, soliola etc.'"
So far as we are aware, yes. Being a prop down (Perry) against Wigan is unfortunate, bearing in mind the type of game Wigan play, but that's how it is.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Good thread this and I'm surprised by the respect Saints fans have for Warrington these days, not like the Wiganers who cream their pies with excitement when we lose.
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Saints have respect for Warrington because they have played entertaining rugby throughout the season, and to be fair to Leeds, they have too. Hopefully the future of the game belongs with teams that play rugby, and not the wrestlers. I also think it's good for the game to see new names on trophies and not the same ones every year, which must mean it's saints turn this year
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