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Watching your games this year at the Stobart on TV has been a bit of an eye opener for me. I thought most of your fans would stick by Saints but the amount of empty seats on view have shocked me. Why is it they won't go the extra couple of miles down the road to Widnes?
Next year is a massive year for Saints with the new ground opening (which puts Wire to shame I am honest to say!).
But going to the match is a routine and when you stop going other things occupy your leisure time. Are all the stay away fans gonna suddenly return from exile and fill that magnificent stadium?
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Yes. Next.
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In truly Hull KR proportions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, of course they will.
Do we have to have this debate again?
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Quote ="Raymond Pennington"Watching your games this year at the Stobart on TV has been a bit of an eye opener for me. I thought most of your fans would stick by Saints but the amount of empty seats on view have shocked me. Why is it they won't go the extra couple of miles down the road to Widnes?
Next year is a massive year for Saints with the new ground opening (which puts Wire to shame I am honest to say!).
But going to the match is a routine and when you stop going other things occupy your leisure time. Are all the stay away fans gonna suddenly return from exile and fill that magnificent stadium?'"
I've said it before, I'll say it again, you get no walk ups in Widnes. So those who are not season ticket holders, can't make the decision to walk up half an hour before. Those who go to the match then head on for a night out at the pub to meet up with those who don't go, will probably just go see their mates. Anyone without a car is less likely to go. Teenagers who go in groups on their own would probably not go.
You say it's a few miles, but a few miles make a huge difference. The difference with next year is the stadium will be moved a few miles, but walk ups will happen from the opposite side of town.
Having said all that, when you look at the home averages for attendance
www.slstats.org/Home.html
Saints average 7851, which is not too shabby at all. Especially when you look at others who still get less than us. |
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Quote ="Raymond Pennington"Watching your games this year at the Stobart on TV has been a bit of an eye opener for me. I thought most of your fans would stick by Saints but the amount of empty seats on view have shocked me. Why is it they won't go the extra couple of miles down the road to Widnes?
Next year is a massive year for Saints with the new ground opening (which puts Wire to shame I am honest to say!).
But going to the match is a routine and when you stop going other things occupy your leisure time. Are all the stay away fans gonna suddenly return from exile and fill that magnificent stadium?'"
I've said it before, I'll say it again, you get no walk ups in Widnes. So those who are not season ticket holders, can't make the decision to walk up half an hour before. Those who go to the match then head on for a night out at the pub to meet up with those who don't go, will probably just go see their mates. Anyone without a car is less likely to go. Teenagers who go in groups on their own would probably not go.
You say it's a few miles, but a few miles make a huge difference. The difference with next year is the stadium will be moved a few miles, but walk ups will happen from the opposite side of town.
Having said all that, when you look at the home averages for attendance
www.slstats.org/Home.html
Saints average 7851, which is not too shabby at all. Especially when you look at others who still get less than us. | |
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Defo, and i think there will be quite a few of the Wigan and Wembely match only types who get tempted to come to more games
I think the corporate sales alone will help the crowds rise from this current season.
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| Quote ="Raymond Pennington"Watching your games this year at the Stobart on TV has been a bit of an eye opener for me. I thought most of your fans would stick by Saints but the amount of empty seats on view have shocked me. Why is it they won't go the extra couple of miles down the road to Widnes?
Next year is a massive year for Saints with the new ground opening (which puts Wire to shame I am honest to say!).
But going to the match is a routine and when you stop going other things occupy your leisure time. Are all the stay away fans gonna suddenly return from exile and fill that magnificent stadium?'"
If the cameras were on the other side where they used to be you would see a very full north stand as well as the east stand behind the sticks. We can't help where we have been allocated seats at Widnes. Everyone knew we would be down on numbers. If you don't have transport then you are stuck as to how to get there. I know there are some stadium buses but they are not always convenient for some. Luckily I get a lift so I have no problem in getting there. Widnes may not seem all that far away but it's further than you think when you are trying to get there after work. etc. I am sure crowds will be greatly improved next year. I know many regulars who are finding it almost impossible to get there on time but will be back next year. |
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| Quote ="Agent Mulder"I know there are some stadium buses but they are not always convenient for some. '"
I catch the Saints rugby bus and it goes from the centre of town at 5.30pm, 6.00pm, 6.30pm and 7.00pm. (There may be a 5.00pm one too, I can't remember) Three buses back again, two of which are waiting for fans straight after the match. Some of the people who get on my bus have already caught a bus into town from elsewhere. The only difficulty for people using the rugby bus is if they work late and can't get into town first. Otherwise, it really couldn't be more convenient. The cost is great too. £40 for every home match of the season works out at a very silly price per trip. It's also a good atmosphere on the bus. I've got to know some new people while travelling on there. Oh, and we have the chance of seeing the progress on the new stadium each time we travel too! |
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Yes...
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I know many who went to two games (Warrington all ticket, then Harlequins and the 'ticket fiasco') and never went back. I only came back because I'm a die-hard, I fully understand why many are leaving it until next season. I have never in my life witnessed such an unorganised shambles at a sports event as Saints at Widnes if you don't have a season ticket.
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| Saints will average 12-13000 next year with band wagoners and away fans coming to our NEW stadium in the first year?
The problem will be in the second year keeping the intrest up?
A top signing in the mould of Newlove,Sculthorpe & Lyon would put bums on seats? Who i don't know?
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| Quote ="Rommel"Saints will average 12-13000 next year with band wagoners and away fans coming to our NEW stadium in the first year?
The problem will be in the second year keeping the intrest up?
A top signing in the mould of Newlove,Sculthorpe & Lyon would put bums on seats? Who i don't know?
Can't wait for next year already
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I think we'll average between 13-14k next season.
An extra 2-3k (we have been averaging c.11k at KR, I'm ignoring Widnes) from the new stadium is definitely achievable given the facilities and location.
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If we're good, we'll get a good average. If we're as pants as this season we'll struggle. People in St Helens won't turn out to watch the team flail about in mid table.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"If we're as pants as this season we'll struggle.'"
Eh??? Pants this season????? |
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It won't be as good an average as they would of had moving straight into the new stadium from KR.
No doubt the first league game should sell-out and then both the Warrington and Wigan games will sell-out with big crowd for Widnes and Leeds games. I reckon they should top 14k.
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"Eh??? Pants this season?????'"
We lost to Warrington at home. We've not been this low for about 15 years.
No trophies for us again this year. What motivation is there to turn up if that is going to be the case again? |
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We're two points off the top, that's not mid table. We're still in the cup. Some of the best Saints play for a long time was played in that last game against Leeds (you must have left at hlf time).
All we have to do is finish in the top four to have as much chance as anyone of being at Old Trafford and if we get a fit team together we'd beat anybody we meet there too.
Some of these youngsters coming through are very exciting to watch.
I think you and me are seeing two completely diferent teams.
Are you serious or are you pulling my leg and I've fallen for it?
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"We're two points off the top, that's not mid table. We're still in the cup. Some of the best Saints play for a long time was played in that last game against Leeds (you must have left at hlf time).
All we have to do is finish in the top four to have as much chance as anyone of being at Old Trafford and if we get a fit team together we'd beat anybody we meet there too.
Some of these youngsters coming through are very exciting to watch.
I think you and me are seeing two completely diferent teams.
Are you serious or are you pulling my leg and I've fallen for it?'"
No, I agree with you in a way. We're doing fantastically for the squad we've got. I just feel we're 4 or 5 senior players short of where the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Huddersfield are this season. With Jammer leaving and us unlikely to have more coming in than leaving, that will still be the case next season. |
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"are you pulling my leg and I've fallen for it?'"
That would be the one.  |
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The first few games will see a big increase from this season at the new ground, but I am not that certain if the attendance figures will compare with such as Wigan or Leeds after those first matches??
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| Quote ="jaybs"The first few games will see a big increase from this season at the new ground, but I am not that certain if the attendance figures will compare with such as Wigan or Leeds after those first matches??'"
I think you need a massive game to kickstart the new season in 2012 and a full house of 18,000 for the first game at the new ground.
My choice (not biased) would be Wire, we would bring 5,000 alone. |
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| Quote ="Raymond Pennington"I think you need a massive game to kickstart the new season in 2012 and a full house of 18,000 for the first game at the new ground.
My choice (not biased) would be Wire, we would bring 5,000 alone.'"
You'd get about 3000-3500 and it would still be full. |
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| Quote ="Raymond Pennington"and I think you need a massive game to kickstart the new season in 2012 a full house of 18,000 for the first game at the new ground.
My choice (not biased) would be Wire, we would bring 5,000 alone.'"
Not necessarily a massive game as I feel the opening game will sell itself out no matter who we play really. Catalans or quins would be the only teams that would put us in any danger of not selling out. |
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| Quote ="Agent Mulder"Not necessarily a massive game as I feel the opening game will sell itself out no matter who we play really. Catalans or quins would be the only teams that would put us in any danger of not selling out.'"
AM why do you think it will sell out regardless?
Saints didn't sell out their farewell game at KR which I would have thought would had a greater pull. |
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| We should have the first game against Widnes they always bring a large crowd to St Helens  |
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