Dont know if any of you spotted the little tiff late on in the second half when wilkin dropped the ball and graham said something to him and wilkin says something along the lines of , kk.. dont in speak to me like who are you who are you....... Got the feeling wilkin isnt a big fan of graham but wilkin got through twice more work than graham the best game ive seen him play and showed why he deserved the callup you need players to pat you on the back when you drop a ball not start balling at you when your 32-6 up with 10 min to go the ginger bomb

Graham is the Captain thats who he is



If they all played with as much passion as Jammer we'd have won the Grand Final the last 5 yrs

But in the heat of the match things happen and i'm sure Wilko and Graham love each other

true mate, ive seen em both on southport sands skipping along hand in hand looking into each others eyes smiling lovingly at each other.

00h you faslsehood teller???

lol stan.
will phone tonight to check on mam.
xxx

You dont want to be shouted at for dropping a ball you need a pat on the back i hope wilkin says something to graham when he makes a mistake he hates loosing and hates mistakes i get that and thats good but you need to encourage a player surely? Not to rub it in and make the mistake worse than it already is IMO hes bound to make another mistake because hes under pressure not to?

Did anyone see Graham going totaly nuts at Makinson and yelling at him after one of the Leeds tries ? I thought he was going way over the top and should'nt of been going off at a young player like that.

These young players are getting paid to do a job, if one makes a mistake, they need to know its not acceptable, just my opinion

If it was the try from the scrum then saints only packed 5 in and left shenton and makinson
stranded with a 4 on 2.

Not much either of them can do about that.

Graham can go a bit OTT sometimes. He's an angry young man. Needs to be a bit more
selective. Wellens doesn't mince his words and gives a bol***king when necessary but is also supportive.

Thought makinson did well. Neither he or shenton had any decent ball to run.
That's the price of having Sia in the SR. Hopefully now Gaskell is back he can get them
some decent ball to work with.

You've got to take it case by case, though. I'm sure Makinson is well aware that mistakes are unacceptable (or undesirable, at least - even James Graham makes mistakes, after all). Indeed, while I thought he had a good game, Makinson's body language is that of a young player who is still a little unsure of himself at the top level - if that's the case what he needs is to be encouraged to believe in himself, not ranted at by one of the most high profile players at the club.

I'm not sure on the shouting at players for making mistakes that James Graham is doing this year, that is not the actions of a great captain.

A good captain should know how each player responds, some need a good telling off where some need a arm round them or pat on the back and told to keep your chin up. I think Graham only knows one way.

Your correct, James Graham ain't perfect and does make mistakes like at hull when his mistakes cost us two tries.

Yes that was the try,theres not much the kid could of done with those numbers against him yet he got Jammer in his face screaming blue murder at him.

So by that reasoning when a senoir pro makes a mistake they should get double the screaming at.

It don't matter if they getting paid or not, shouting at players don't help anyone.

Each player needs to be treated different as each player reacts to different ways. Shouting and balling at some players knocks their confidence and makes them go into the shell and stops them doing their normal game.

Yet, shouting at some players gets a good reaction out of them, they think stuff this I'll show him.

I'm not sure jammer knows the difference but shouting at young lads will knock their confidence.

I'm talking from being a captain nearly all my life from under 10s until I was 32.

I recall so far this year Jammer has turned his back on play ( a basic schoolboy error that you would expect a gb international never to do ) and been exposed,left big holes in defence that have been exploited,passed when he should of just driven the ball in and im sure a few other mistakes yet no one has been in his face screaming at him.Players naturally make mistakes and the Wello approach of encouragement is the way to go.Screaming at a young kid who has just had to try and defend an overlap really wont help the kid at all.

So we are all taking the lipreading skills of a Warrington supporter as gospel here, are we? Oh dear.

I watched the game back after the match. I see Jammer shouting, as he usually does. As, indeed, most of them do because they can't be heard otherwise. We don't know what he said to whom, no idea in fact. He could have been challenging him, cajoling him or encouraging him/communicating in a shouty voice because of the noise.

You can clearly see Wilkin with a really annoyed look on his face "yelling who are you eh ?" at Jammer after Wilkin lost the ball ( he had it knocked out just to add insult to injury ) you dont need to be an expert in body language to see he was really pee'd off with Jammer.

Or just indulging in banter.

Banter tends not to be done with bulging eye and an aggresive face,more smiles and laughs

But you're talking about Jammer here. He does everything with a bulging eye and an aggressive face. I'm sure he dropped out of his mother's womb looking like that!

You have no idea what was said; none of us do. I just think it's amusing how Saints fans have taken on board the OP's assumptions.

Let's be honest here, it wouldn't be the first time he's shouted at a fellow player. It might be his way but IMO it's not on.

As wilkin said " who are you ey"

I've no idea what Jammer shouts about during matches but I can tell he is shouting.


You are a lipreader?

Yeah but its Wilkin with the pee'd off face and buldging eyes yelling at Jammer clearly annoyed at being yelled at shouting " who are you eh ? ".Imo Jammer's shouting at other players is excessive and needs curbing.If he does that next year then i would imagine he would get set straight right away.

What supid question.

Have you never known what a player has said when you've watched it on sky?

if jammer is going over the top, lets hope someone has a quiet word in his ear.