having watched the match back over again, when Charnley scores his second try to make it 16-10 Joel Tomkins appears to block Foster in back play. Foster probably wouldn't have stopped Charnley anyway but the try should have least been handed to Alibert.

let it go mate, there's always 50/50 calls in big games like this, we werent over hard done by

Im not complaining I think the try was fine and it was hard for Joel to pull out, I don't think we were hard done by either, the calls evened itself out in the end

The only try i have issue with is the one from the forward pass all the others were fine.

Unfortunately, that try meant that they won.

Will you let it go for gawds sake.

Meli scored off a forward pass at Cardiff which gave you a chance to win the game.

Its called swings and roundabouts - some go for you some against.

Here we go again. Another excuse for our defeat on good Friday!

So now we've had the " assault " on wheeler by hoffman.

The forward pass for the Wigan try.

Now obstruction for wigans third try!

Sour grapes!

You don't have to come on the Saints board so it's got nothing to do with you.

A nice little thread on the pies forum by your dear friend Brian.

Actually, they teeter on the edge of obstruction a lot. I thought I was imagining it but if you watch the replay, their dummy runners hang around in the defensive line, slowing it down. It's subtle and devious and no doubt illegal. I hope Paul Cullen has spotted it and discusses it on Boots'n'All, then everyone will be aware of it.

Just had a quick look. You're sounding more and more like a Pie every day Pete!

I've moved on now though. Castleford next. See if we can manage to avoid being totally overtaken with our new look under 20s side.

Come on you Saints!

And your sounding more and more like Arsene Wenger every day, excuse for every defeat.

I think if the players picked in our 19 man squad for the tigers game we will just pinch a win.

It will be tough but I think we will just have enough.

Come on guys we are getting back to school boy arguments, if everyone kept to each others boards??

Also If every forward pass was given we would never have any scoring these days and throwing the ball in a pass is more like tick rugby.

Is he a soccer player? I assume he is. I don't watch soccer and I've no idea what you're talking about.

No he's a football manager who has a excuse for every loss, just like you ey

I think thats something we use to be quietly good at it during the Millward era.

Obstructions, assaults, forward passes and holding down in tackle! I'm sure if we all keep watching the game from Friday again and again we will find some more excuses to why we lost.

Are you Shaun Edwards in disguise or Joe Lydon or Andy Farrell or Dennis Betts or Phil Clarke, etc, etc.

FFS, get a grip of yourself. This is a Saints forum and people can be as one eyed as Barrie Mac if they wish to be. I've never read such stringent criticism towards the partisan attitude that all fans show for their own team. Especially from one of their own, alledgedly.

I sincerely hope we do.

Some old Wigan names there, was they playing the last time you watched a game?

Look, I'm sick of hearing about every excuse under the sun for why we lost yet nobody said what great game it was. Certain people want to talk about all the negatives and forget about all the positives.

It just bores me the fact that certain people on here can't lose a game without having to go on about the ref, assaults, forward pass and now obstruction.

Listen flower, I'll call it however I see it.

Been going since I could, 1996. I'm nobody's flower either!

I know you call it how you see it, we know it all too well. Wish you'd keep a sock in it a bit more than you do. Fans just don't like to lose, it's human nature and most feel the need to try to justify it somehow to make them feel better. It's how it works, why get so irate about it?

If this was a conversation all we'd be doing is listening. You're not an ex copper as well are you?

Ok sweetheart, let's call a truce.

I'm no way a ex copper lol

You mean where Makinson scored? I know. It was a disgrace.

Wish FM commentators stated your first try today was from a forward pass.
This in effect won you the match.

That would be the one we had chalked off, for a forward pass.