I'd like to ask anybody if they have revised their opinion on Tony P.

I suggested he was overrated early in the season and I have to say I still think I was correct. Even more so now.

He's done nothing for me for a long time.

Very disappointed!

Well done the lads not a bad effort apart from that.

hasn't had a good game since April.

What happened? He was ripping defenses apart at the start of the season but now barley makes 5 meters!

Totally agree, for me he has been by far the biggest letdown this season, could take a lot of the heat away from Graham if he was only prepared to graft, sadly he's lacking big time.

Thanks the Lord I thought I was the only one!!

Now I know people will jump on and say out of position beaten pack yada yada yada.

But on individual performances alone he hasn't played well.

Was doing really well until he got injured...thought he did ok tonight though.

For me he goes missing against good teams.

He was fine tonight. He worked really, really hard tonight. The penalty late on was unfortunate, but it was just instinctive, many a player have done that in their careers.

He'd come to the fore playing wider if we actually had a decent prop or two to support Jammer's herculean efforts.

He's technically not a prop though. He is a 2nd rower.

Here we go I knew somebody would come up with that one.

So you are telling me his lack of effort can be excused because he's out of position!

Tell that to most of the players who have played out of position this year then!

No excuse I'm afriad.

Compare minutes on the field of Lauititi and Puletua and tell me he's being lazy. He's working his butt off.

Agreed.

TP is doing the job asked of him. Give him another prop over the season and let him play his natural game and you'd see what he's about.

Thought he worked very hard tonight. Lazy is a joke.

I've not noticed a lack of effort. More the usual over-expectancy from Saints fans.

But I do apologise for not toeing the Widnes Exile party line.

The thing is, he is a second row. If we asked Gilmour or Wilkin to play prop they would get murdered. Tony has averaged the same metres since he switched to prop as before. If anything his workrate has gone up, but the fancy stuff has gone because he's playing prop!

He was mostly playing second row then.

He was probably doing all Pryce's tackling.

and bad ones too.

I thought last night Tony P played ok but generally speaking I don't think he has shown the form of his first few matches since he had that virus. Whether he's lazy or not I don't know, but sometimes he sure has looked like he's been avoiding the work.

I think he's been pretty consistent for most of the season. If you're expecting him to be throwing tacklers off every game then you have to allow for him not being as good every game. It's impossible for the guy to be breaking tackles left, right and centre every time he comes on the pitch. His yardage making has been pretty consistent and without him we'd have struggled even more.

Typical fickleness. Lose a game or two and it's the coach, the tactics, players not giving their all etc.

I don't think tony p has had the impact the club was looking for. Fair enough he makes good yards and he adds size to what's a small pack but if I'm being honest I think he's been a let down.

I think he is little lazy or bit half hearted at times. Him being half hearted resulted in ablett getting over for his try last night. Tony p should have rapped him up.

I just dont see this laziness from tony, for me he is phenominal and his stats back it up, he's one of our top tacklers, metre makers, carrier, tackles bust, gives away very few penalties, lots of offloads (have come down since he was moved to prop) and allthis playing most of the season out of position. The best import into the league this year.

Coached out of him.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
It hasn't!!!!!!!!!!!
8.64 metres/carry is one of the best in the entire league!!!
Jammer gets 7.21
Peacock gets 7.28
Morley gets 8.03

Some fans seem to see what they want to!

Everything is Potter's fault.

Lack of effort? Nonsense. He didn't have a bad game at all. Not spectacular, but made plenty of yards.

You can't ignore the fact that he's not playing in his natural position. He's devastating when he has a bit of room to work with out wide, but it's a different ball game up the middle. The equivalent player at Leeds is Lauitiiti, and I dare say he wouldn't do anywhere near as much damage if he was moved to prop either.