We just got thumped for the second time in three weeks. This time by a side which was previously at the foot of the table. Yet not a peep here. Are we all just so deep in despair that we've given up?

I think we are just a bang average side. Lomax adds that little bit extra and I would say as an average side we are punching well above our weight for the season.

But with every average side we will get found out when other teams have more intensity

I'm sick to death of mate. The effort is there but every aspect of our game is just shambolic in its execution. We pipe up and show our discontent but the fella with the statue and an estate named after him is beyond criticism.

And we badly need another leader. That's not to say we should get rid of Wilkin, but one leader isn't enough, great teams have several.

Huddersfield were 'lucky' today according to KC.

They slaughtered us by nearly 50 points!!!

Today's 1,2,3,4,and 5 are probably the worst back five that Saints have ever played. With 6 and 7 playing behind a beaten pack what else can be expected other than a sound beating. If KC has been involved in recruitment then he must take the blame if not then sack the recruiting team.

How bad is the league at the minute? We're 2 points off top and you're 4 and I think it's safe to say both sets of fans are far from happy with what's being served up. Our good side and your great side of the early 2000's would wipe the floor with these current sides.

It's all gone a bit Scottish football esq!

What more can be said that's not already been said ?

Help me please! I've had to put up with a train full of Hull fans and now I want to agree with a pie muncher. .......

Great venue and day out though.

Bang average squad, it's all about the recruitment, sub standard for the last 18/24months top 8 side at best no where near Old Trafford. Lacking in too many areas to cover as in seasons past...

We're just Sh**e, make no bones about it. Years of signing players no one else wants, topping up contracts of players who don't deserve a shirt & hiring too many old boys for coaching staff who played with distinction for years for this sliding great club. Despair Is a good word

Very unpredictable season with Wakefield providing all the entertainment at the moment. Both Wigan (Pack) and Saints (Backs) small in size compared to most teams, Catalans and Hull are strong and massive units and both Wane and Cunningham keep talking about energy levels but don't do anything about it to improve dominating minutes.
Team spirit and mental toughness is helping some of the "lower-mid table" teams at the moment, don't think we have had one single game this year where we have played for 80 mins and I can't think of any game at all this season where we totally dominated and played well.
Our defensive coach should have been sacked months ago, can't tackle, dumb defensive reads and lazy impact approach is embarrassing to watch, I think this is also happening to a lot of super league teams at the moment, if you look at the league its possible 9 out of 12 teams could have a negative points difference which I don't think has happened before.

The top and bottom of the matter at the moment as far as I'm concerned is, there's a few very happy fans, (and Sky) and a vast majority, the rest, who are totally fed-up. If anyone thinks this is good for the game, a levelling down, then I would strongly disagree. There's only so many times that David beating Goliath is entertaining, especially when Goliath is really only another David. I want Goliath v Goliath back. I want normal service resumed! This season is fast becoming a complete scrub-out. What a blow-out if we get David v David in a third full GF.

So many things wrong with the game at present, the scrums are just a joke, the time wasting forming, shameful when the referee has to keep telling players to pack down, then how many players are still missing, players seem to stand around as if it time for a chat? over the weekend one scrum only had three players in?

The time wasting near to the end of a match, again one game at Magic this started with 10 minutes to go from the team in front, injuries every tackle, must looking feigned to waste time.

Flopping to slow down the game by mainly forwards? one team yesterday were still doing it yesterday when they were still behind, perhaps that shows the brains in some forwards, and offside, if the referee blew up every time the game would be stop, start continually.

It was a novelty when referees started to have a rapport with players, now some are too friendly and it has lead I feel to so much back chat, no longer just from the captain but several players at once and language from players.

I made the same point exactly on Red Vee. Saints have been tripe for most of the season yet had HKR won and we had won we somehow would have been joint top which is frankly quite laughable.

I like that analogy, just the other day I was thinking what if Leeds scrape into the 8th spot being 14-16 points off top spot and string a few wins together in the play offs to the grand final at the expense of Warrington, Catalans and Hull.
For Saints both winning and losing they are a total embarrassment to the Saints Shirt, walking up to the ground on home games a lot of supporters feel uncertainty of a win and its a 50/50 game. I think McManus has written part of his script for the match programme and is probably waiting for the next chapter of damage with the Hull game.

Not going to happen this year, Saints and Leeds have too many problems.

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For me the disheartening thing about us this year is the reactions to these losses. In years gone by every single hammering was followed by apologies and acknowledgement that what was served up was embarrassing. Even in 2014 when we won it, we took a lot of hidings on the way. Yet after every one the likes of Brown and Wellens would be honestly evaluating what was going on and apologising.

Now we seem to just be used to it. We seem to have adopted the attitude as a club that these things can happen rather than anyone acknowledging that this is shambolic. I couldn't believe after last weekend he blamed inconsistency. If the true top teams are inconsistent, they might lose one in every three games by 8-12 points. Top teams and big clubs don't get battered 4 times in a season at the half way point and use inconsistency as an excuse. We're coming up massively short against good sides, something is fundamentally wrong. Until the likes of Rush, KC and Wilkin acknowledge this and ditch this 'ah well, it happens' attitude, we're destined to slog it out with the likes of Salford, Hudds and Cas until we start acting like a big club.

As a nuetral I'd just like to say Wilkin was an embarrassment on Sunday - didn't bend his back st all yet he is the captain? And I see LMA got a lot of criticism but I thought he was one of your best players - the game might have been different if all the players had his enthusiasm.

I'm afraid I seem to have given up. I didn't really notice it happening, but I've started doing something else on Friday nights and, to be honest, prefer watching the sky games starring the likes of Cas and Wire from a neutral perspective.

I haven't thrown my toys out the pram about it, its just happened gradually. Perhaps I'm just a fickle fan, but when Saddenend's posts started sounding like fact rather than fishing, then you know things are looking grim.

I've not been for a while Just for the fact I'm bored and don't enjoy it anymore. Very rare I'll watch the games on sky unless it could be entertaining rugby on show.

I'm season ticket holder too.

I nearly packed it in around Easter Time, then Fages came into the side and we played a bit better, now I'm back to packing it in again and perhaps end up as a fickle fan. Definitely not renewing my season ticket the club would have to come up with 4 or 5 top signings to do that, I'm still going to most games but Im losing the will when I see how the team plays but KC comes up with something completely different to what I"ve just seen.

I've always liked Saints and they have always been my favourite other team.

However, as Hull fan it reads like you want your cake and eat it.

If normal service is four teams dominating the league for a decade, would you now be happy if say Catalans, Warrington, Castleford and Hull now dominated the league for the next decade?

No one has a right to live in the top four. This season we have had the most competitive league since the Super League was created. After years of not being consistantly competitive, Hull have raised their game this season and are beginning to perform consistantly.

Ironically the only game we have lost in the past two months was against bottom of the table Leeds, who deserved to win on the night. Along with Wakefield's demolition of Wigan, Cas comfortably beating Warrington, Hull KR winning well at Leeds etc, it just shows anyone can beat anyone this season. Before the Magic Weekend, it was feasible that all six matches could have gone either way, probably a first in Super League.

I appreciate that Saints aren't playing as well or as consistantly as in previous seasons, but that is now for Saints to raise their game, not for others to lay down and let Wigan, Leeds, Bradford and you to return to all the finals and take it turns to win the silverware. That's unless the four of you are planning to leave and create your own 'Goliath' Super League?

This Saturday, Hull fans know we have to turn up and play well to beat St Helens, otherwise we'll lose the position we've worked so hard to a achieve at this part of the season.

If we manage to keep our form going and meet one our fellow 'David's' in the GF, I can assure you we'll more than fill a third of the Stretford End. Saints may have had significantly more success than Hull, but I think you'll find our attendances have at least always been on a par with yours.

We look forward to seeing you and your 2,500 away fans on Saturday (just like what we brought to you in the Cup).

Saints fans are not the best when things are not on track, but you have to understand it's not the losing, it's the absolute rugby league saints are offering up every week.
Lms seems to be the only player that cares, Wilkin blows hot and cold, Roby has been run into the ground, lomax offers a glimmer of hope as does fages, but this has to be the worst coached saints team I have seen.

Was the Royce Simmons team this bad???

And KC has quoted he is in charge of recruitment. The legend has to go or be given another role with a saints standard experienced coach that can bring the entertainers tag back to saints.
Even the neutral fans miss the old style of saints.

On a side note, salary cap and general marketing for rugby league is a huge issue for the standard of the game. Also commentary on sky needs improving.
Super league as a whole should be a much bigger product by now.

We'll surely Hull can't be as lucky as Huddersfield were last Sunday !!

You shipped 48 pts to a team tied for bottom place but I stand by what I said first game of the season it is one of the worst Saints team I have seen in over 50 years of watching.

Maybe it's from years of watching try fests and constant defeat at Knowsley Road but that sparkle just isn't there at the moment.

I'm not having a go it's just an honest observation.