I thought [url=http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/saints/news/9021452.Saints_can_t_afford_to_feel_sorry_for_themselves__says_Simmons/this article in the local rag[/url was quite revealing. Things are not looking very hopeful just now and if the injury situation and all the impact it is having on individual and team performance continues for much longer, I can see us beginning to struggle.

Let's hope the possibles Royce lists become definites before the Hudds match as this would be a great opportunity to get two points ahead of one of our present main rivals.

Can somebody list these 15 players out please.

And before anybody asks its because I don't believe him.

13 off the top of my head to play at 1/6/7 in 2011 would be: Wellens/Eastmond/Roby/Wilkin/Ashe/Moore/Wheeler/Lomax/Foster/Armstrong/Gaskell/Makinson/Pryce (in pre-season).

He will include some players having played in more than one position and he does include forced changes during games when we have had 2 and 3 limped off, there have been at least 13 different players used across the 3 positions... someone may be able to name more

Off the top of my head this season we have used:

1. Wellens, Makinson, Armstrong, Ashe, Foster, Lomax
6. Pryce, Gaskell, Wheeler, Wilkin, Moore, Wellens
7. Eastmond, Lomax, Roby

I think Royce is alluding more to the disruption this has caused to our continuity in attack etc. in that we have had 7 different starting half back combinations in 14 games (listed below), on top of which we have had to change these due to in game injuries in at least 6 of these matches.

Eastmond Wheeler
Eastmond Pryce
Eastmond Gaskell
Gaskell Lomax
Wheeler Lomax
Wilkin Lomax
Eastmond Wilkin

Pryce did start in Catalan so he technically played in the league, if only for 4 mins!!

Maybe some of the injuries are caused by the way some teams are tackling opponents.

i dont think so, i think the players dont have the correct conditioning, you only have to look at the relatively low injury rate at warrington, with a much older team to see what can be done

You forgot the Various - Moore variation!

That list was just literally the starting combinations from the match reports, there would be at least 4 or 5 other combinations that we have had to use through injuries occuring in games.

Having all that disruption to the half backs, not including injuries to forwards (Perry, Clough, Wilkin, Flannery Soliola have all missed at least 3 matches) in just 14 games shows fantastic resolve from the squad to get ourselves level on points at the top, should we ever get everyone fit we'll take some beating!

Quote ="Saint Simon"i dont think so, i think the players dont have the correct conditioning, you only have to look at the relatively low injury rate at warrington, with a much older team to see what can be done'" I think Royce has answered the conditioning question? www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/859 "All but three or four are contact injuries and breaks. If they were all hamstring, calf or quad injuries we could say ‘we are doing something wrong, let's fix it up', but they are not. ie you can't condition a bone not to break or a limb to not get torn.

Quote ="Saint Simon"i dont think so, i think the players dont have the correct conditioning, you only have to look at the relatively low injury rate at warrington, with a much older team to see what can be done'" I think Royce has answered the conditioning question? www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/859 "All but three or four are contact injuries and breaks. If they were all hamstring, calf or quad injuries we could say ‘we are doing something wrong, let's fix it up', but they are not. ie you can't condition a bone not to break or a limb to not get torn.

Quote ="bewareshadows"I think Royce has answered the conditioning question? www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/859 "All but three or four are contact injuries and breaks. If they were all hamstring, calf or quad injuries we could say ‘we are doing something wrong, let's fix it up', but they are not.'" Yes, I noticed that bit. Probably shows us as well that last season it [iwas[/i a question of conditioning. We had a lot of quad injuries last season! We'll be playing with yet another halfback partnership on Saturday. Jon Wilkin being partnered by the Invisible Man!

Quote ="bewareshadows"I think Royce has answered the conditioning question? www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/859 "All but three or four are contact injuries and breaks. If they were all hamstring, calf or quad injuries we could say ‘we are doing something wrong, let's fix it up', but they are not.'" Yes, I noticed that bit. Probably shows us as well that last season it [iwas[/i a question of conditioning. We had a lot of quad injuries last season! We'll be playing with yet another halfback partnership on Saturday. Jon Wilkin being partnered by the Invisible Man!

I hear he is quite the player and can ghost through defensive lines.

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Meli has also filled in at full back

Please god no.

But he did. So it's another variation at 1, 6 and 7 to undermine Paul Youane's skepticism where Royce's claim is concerned.

we should change the name from the entertainers to the invalids.

Royce thinks Perry's broken his knuckle. Ouch.

How annoying was Eddie Hemmings tonight keep going on about Saints injury crisis? To their credit I don't hear any excuses from the Saints staff or team and the way they have played in the last weeks with so many injuries is a credit to the club. It has given opportunities to players that have taken their chance and I feel sure it will reap rewards in the future. But Eddie, will you please find something else to talk about!

A scan will tell the truth. Let's hope it's just a bad bang.

He's a bit too injury prone, is Perry.

I propose that this years season be postponed until Saints are able to field a full first choice 17 and again be postponed if any of their players catch a cold or don't feel very well.

qiute right,glad you sympathise with us.thankyou.perhaps wire supporters aren't that bad after all,cheers

Thanks SD, I will always keep a special place for Saints

[size=50At the bottom of my garden where I keep all the rest of the rubbish.[/size

Nice to hear,BTW,i've lost my reading glasses so cant read the small print,but thanks all the same

If Warrington played at the bottom of my garden, I'd close the curtains.