We went to five finals on the bounce or six I have forgot now and lost the lot. Gaskell and Foster are third rate players best forgotten. Lets look for the next Scully Martyn and Joynt and forget players who are picked up by teams who cannot fund the payroll.

Like I've said in the past I sometimes question he's super league level player.

His best position is fullback which is what he is. He's never a halfback in a million years and I think that's pretty clear now.

His next next position is hooker. He can be a little slow with his ball distribution form acting half but he does ok job there.

He could do the utility bench role but that would end wello as a first team player as we couldn't have both. I personally don't like the utility player on the bench. In the this day and age, players are multi skilled and can cover other positions if needed during the game.

I prefer four forwards on the bench. The likes of Wilkin can cover the halves if need be as can Roby. We've got sia who can drop into the centre.

Although thebest teams still use 2 hookers.to keep the primary fresh throughout the match.

Saints dominated field position and had pressure on leeds line for 20 minutes. They came out of this with only an 8 point lead. The tide would always turn and saints were already gifting leeds field position before the injuries. Once leeds got a sniff, there was only one winner. The injuries were collateral damage.

Are saints still a squad/team/club with aspirations of winning things?

Not from where i'm sitting. They look happy to plod along. The old swag is long gone. Langtree is not very intimidating and where there was once rabid fans baying for blood, there is now middle aged woman cringing and putting their head in their hands at the ineptitude on display.