Have to say although I agree Wellens is way past his best and should have retired last season, this post proves the hyperbole offered by people on this forum. To give him 1/10 and 2/10 shows the immaturity and personal vengeance being directed to one of the best servants of Saints golden generation. He has been in good form of late and probably in the better half of our players through the season - that's the reality.

Of course I understand the irritation, there have been lots of valid points made against him that I agree wholeheartedly with - very true that he could be holding back younger players plus Hohaia and therefore ultimately detrimental to the team. True also that his legacy recedes by the game. However for about 2-3 seasons there have been games I have watched when he has had an average or decent game, or even been among our best performers and yet I come here to find people distorting the events of a game and ridiculing the man. I have watched replays of televised game after said posts and have discovered blatant fabrications of events. We know your point by now and most of us generally agree, so please stop with this personal character assassination of Paul.

I've seen Lomax at fullback and I've seen Makinson at fullback and Makinson is the better fullback, bearing in mind both are early on in their careers (especially Makinson).

its very disconcerting when you talk sense

Fair point I thought you meant current playing resources! You do have an excellent youth set-up and Rush is an excellent junior coach but I am not convinced about the standard of players you have brought through or the quality of those in the immediate pipeline. Obviously, there is time for some young players, currently in your squad, to improve but only time will tell. Your U15s look good but the U16sand U18s appear to be a fallow years, with the odd exception.

I think you will find that Wellens goes around again next season, don't forget that these guys are in it for the money, and rightly so. You could move him to loose forward. Roby is top quality but needs to play behind a better pack. Wilkin is a good utility player but would never make my starting 13 and Gardner wouldn't even make my squad.

What have those players got to do with our young guys?

Nothing, you need to read the other posts.