Something has to be done from up top to arrest our current situation. Otherwise there's a 50/50 chance we will be relegated in the million pound game.

However whenever someone on here makes suggestions there's always that person who responds and shuts it down ''but there's no coaches/players available...it's not mcdermott's fault the player's aren't putting in 100% yadda yadda''. Always obstacles never solutions.

If it was bottom goes down this season the current situation would be defcon 5 (or whatever the strongest one of those is) and GH would have taken action. But they are living under the false security of the middle 8's.

There's gotta be something - hooker/halfback in aus not getting a game or in reserve grade that can come over until the end of the season to steady the ship in the centre of the park. Or a coach a available. They don't have to be wayne bennett just someone who can get a treble winning team last year not to be relegated. Are we up to our overseas quota or is there someone we can fiddle the system with?

My point is, if they are in the right mentality of ''something needs to be done'' then something can be done.

Failing that maybe a new way of motivating the players to put in 100%. Look at the warrington game, and then look at the defensive set immediately after the dust up with singleton and simms. They players had good line speed as a unit, they were tackling with oomph and that little bit extra and then at the end they forced an error. That was there for that set and you could see the difference and then you know they aren't defending with everything they've got.

If leeds get relegated these players contracts become null and void. Right? Lots of uncertainty. Most of the top clubs will have tied up their recruitment by then, so these players will be scrapping for clubs, it could mean reduced wages with performances this year and not many options, which could effect mortgage payments, lifestyle, they could have to relocate which could have implications on family life.

If the players weren't already thinking about these possibilities as a result of current performances then they need to be told. Forget whether the coach is liked etc etc It's playing for jobs.

good point .I suppose he could start by sending out another email ,his last one cheered me up for a while

yes he can send a weekly email to cheer us up but it will only last up to the next game and then he will have to send another . I believe the Salford game if it is a loss following the probable loss to Catalans will be the night Hetherington will have to sack Mac as that would be the time the crowd will finally have had enough . How the Doc would love that .

The players and the coach are not meeting the required standards, if the club was a normal place of work those employees not meeting the required standards would be on performance review and goals would be set, if employees don't meet those goals and show signs of improvement then they are shown the door.

The players and coach need to be given the same warning step up or ship out, this needs to be made quite clear.

We did this around 2002. And only Wayne McDonald showed signs of improvement, at the end of the season, Ben walker, Ryan Sheridan, Andy Hay, Karl Pratt and a few others were released, the following year we almost one the Cc and were champions a year later.

He can quit being parsimonious, that's what he can do.

Funding a reserve grade would be a good start.

That's what professionally run clubs do. They run a reserve grade.

That's a different debate.

He can give a coach a squad they want not the one GH approves.

He can get a coach in who can make the players perform to their ability - even you are McDermott's greatest fan have to accept McDermott isn't doing that.

You have now found a new excuse:

1. Players too arrogant after 2015 - why did that not happen in 2008,2009, 2012?
2. The game against the Kiwis
3. SPOTY
4. Training facilities
5. Injuries
6. Ref's not playing fair
7. Players not wanting to try
8. McDermott can't have Jonathan Thurston!!

Or maybe you are just playing Devil's advocate

- you are a n0b of the first order

Nuff said

Yes, that too



Widnes win against Huddersfield this afternoon places Leeds five wins outside the Top 8 with just 7 games to go.

Hope it's still a fiver admission away at Batley

Even better....maybe Printer can let us jump over the turnstiles (unless it clashes with his night job of course) ?

Leeds won't be able to play at Mt Pleasant with that slope - Leeds can only play on dead flat pitches - you do know that

Start looking for a new coach, hooker and half back. Release Delaney (too knackered), Achurch (useless) and one of Burrow,sutty or Lilley...my preference being burrow .

Signing wise I'd love Clarke or Dryer for hooker, unsure on coach and half back. Gale, maybe ?.
I also think if we can keep Ferres we should . I'd love to see what he can do in a winning team when he isn't playing long minutes to cover injuries and lack of props

Maybe he thinks the current coaching staff and playing squad are good enough to get us out of this.

Again people thinking because we are Leeds it will somehow be easier to get the players/coach we need now....even if Leeds were a mighty SL trophy winning team it would not be so easy......as it happens we are a fast declining championship looking team.

If I was a Clark/Dwyer/Gale or even a new Bailey I'm not sure I would be so keen on joining a plummeting sick club. ... or at best being one of the new signings left with the weight of responsibilty of somehow turning the rock bottom club's fortunes around.

I'm talking about for next season, not right now.

I don't think anything can really be done by GH ATM .
We need to get the other players fit and the team firing on all cylinders. Too many poor, confusing or disjointed displays and a fair bit of shuffling between 1,6,7,9,13.

would anyone want to join us at the moment? We are not in a position to guarantee to either players or coach that we'll even be in the superleague. Plus the finances wont be able to stand a relegation. The clubs committed to massive investment in the ground next year and relegation will probably mean either the south stand gets put on hold or the squad goes part time to cope with the huge drop in income from the loss of tv income nad the reduction in season tickets sales. its hard to see how the club can survive financially and if that thought doesnt spur caddick into action nothing will.

In that case maybe he's the one who should leave.

It would be a start if those at the top would admit they made a mistake in showing Sinfield the door

No I'll be at home building toy planes like other 8 year olds

The root problem is one of confidence - both individually and in each other. That may or may not affect the players' view of the coach, but the conspiracy theories are a doubtful starting point (and the mock outrage from the trolls, the simpletons and the Twitter bore can be safely ignored in the same way they were when Leeds were winning). The players just don't believe in themselves and there seems to be no way of easily turning this around - every week they start brightly, look OK for about 10 or 15 minutes before conceding a try and their heads going down. The coach sends them out as best he can, after which the outcome of the game is largely in the players' hands - or in the players' heads.

Paradoxically, what to do about the present situation may actually need some simplistic action to resolve. I have a huge amount of time for McDermott and really don't hold him individually responsible for the present situation. I think a combination of factors have made this season a disaster which almost any coach would struggle with. Look at the way the team performed earlier in the season - if just a couple of the closely-lost games had been won the situation probably would never have spiralled like it has now.

Sadly and unfairly however the easiest way to effect change at a poorly-performing sports team is to replace the coach. After Friday night I have unwillingly come to the conclusion that this would be the best option. It's expedient, of course, and it places blame that I don't want to place on the incumbent. But since we can't change the squad much at this stage it is the only big lever we have available to pull. It isn't fair and doesn't feel right but we are in a position where there is probably no option if we want to quickly turn things around.

Who could we get? I say immediately Brian Smith, because I know he is available and I know he would take it. I'd give him only to the end of the season, a bit like Wakey did (for somewhat different reasons). I don't think he is the long-term answer but I do think he would be the kind of person who could come in and give everything and everyone a fresh start.

I suspect there is limited room for manouvre in the salary cap, especially since Ferres was unexpectedly signed late in pre-season. A few could be moved on and there may be better championship players or out of favour NRL players who could play the 2016 roles of Nathan Picchi or David Hulme. Other than that we go with what we have and hope that a new coach can effect a shock to the system that we need.

The consequences of relegation are not palatable. The team would not, of course, have to go part time, but the financial impact could be severe in damaging the core of the business that Hetherington has built. It would not be a remotely happy experience - if we were confident in bouncing back after one season the club could, to a degree, breeze through it, retaining much of the scale of the organisation as it stands and taking the player and financial losses on the chin. But just as the current setup means that we are protected from going right down, getting back up again would be challenging to say the least. Caddick would be supportive for a short while as he has done well out of Leeds but subsidising losses of say £1m for more than a year would probably not be something he wants to have to do. It's the wider impact I worry about - the club subsidises all sorts of community work and I worry they would be forced to cut this if they started appraising budgets for areas to prune. Fortunately the ground redevelopment works are mostly self-funding (although the pile of cash we have will be used up and the Meanwood element has predictably run into NIMBY opposition but that's another matter).

2016 roles of Nathan Picchi and David Hulme?

David Hulme I get (1996) but in what way does Nathan Picchi deserve a mention here?

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The team needs a reboot. The only way that's going to happen IMO is a new coach. What an experienced coach would be able to do is what BM claims to have been doing all year - get the team playing as a unit. They should also be given the remit that survival this year is all that matters - if that means the sacred cows of JJB, Burrow and McGuire don't play then sobeit.

That may be unfair on BM, but the reality is that as a group they are playing terribly both with and without the ball.

I just can't see how BM can survive if we don't improve markedly as we near the Middle 8s. GH would be negligent in his role if he wasn't proactive in trying to prevent relegation at that point.

Agree with BrisbaneRhino and Ghost of '99.

A reboot and re-invigoration of the first team can only happen in the short term with a new coach; unless they are willing to bring others in (e.g. sports psychologists etc) who can achieve the same effect while working with the coach.

I still like McDermott and would love to see him prove everyone wrong, but I don't think the club can afford taking the risk... Unless 'El Presidente' still has enough influence with the RFL to change their current relegation policies