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| Quote ="Andreww"Cipriani can't tackle. Wasps regulalrly move him out of the 10 channel in defensive set ups so that he isn't targeted.'"
Not exactly alone in that regard though, is he? Sean Long often defends out towards the wing, and he's managed to have a half decent club career.
As for Cipriani, I reckon he'd make a cracking league player. His game appears to be too "off the cuff" at times for union, with it's greater emphasis on territory and posession. Make a break in union and you risk getting isolated, leading to a turnover. Do the same in league and all you'd do is take the tackle and then play the ball.
Saying that, the chances of it happening are Nil, in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Lord_Percy"Saying that, the chances of it happening are Nil, in my opinion.'"
agreed, interesting debate though imo
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| While were on the subject, of union stars performing in League, I wonder if Shaun Edwards (Wasps coach and Wales defefence coach) could do anything in this code?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Ironically Cipriani might be better suited to RL than RU. I'd like to see Andy Powell or Shane Williams from Wales in RL, but finances are likely to make that unlikely to say the least.
I think there are relatively few players who are suited to both codes though.'"
Good call re Powell, I think he'd make a cracking prop/2nd row. Absolutely no chance of that though nor with Cipriano. I wondered about Jordan Crane who was with Leeds before he went to Leicester, probably not quick enough.
I wonder if David Doherty ever regrets his move.
I always thought O'Driscoll would have been great, again it was never going to happen, likewise Carlos Spencer.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Good call re Powell, I think he'd make a cracking prop/2nd row. Absolutely no chance of that though nor with Cipriano. I wondered about Jordan Crane who was with Leeds before he went to Leicester, probably not quick enough.
I wonder if David Doherty ever regrets his move.
I always thought O'Driscoll would have been great, again it was never going to happen, likewise Carlos Spencer.'"
i've heard mentioned before Chabal as a prop......dont know what people would think of that.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"As opposed to the wide spread of teams that win the major trophies each year in Super League? Since the turn of the century/millennium, 4 teams have won the championship final in RU, which has seen 6 different finalists.
By comparison, Super League has had 3 winners and 5 finalists.
If you don't like the game that's fair enough, you don't have to watch it or take an interest. But if you don't see any of it, or know anything about it, there's not much point in pretending to know all about it is there?
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But the inference from Davids post was that because of Wasps outstanding record then somehow the whole of RU must be a superior game.
I know enough about RU to have an opinion...if thats OK with you
By comparison to SL the game is boring, mundane, less skillfull, class structured, not talent structured.
Lee wouldnt play at international RU level he hasnt been to the right schools.....
Q. Bill Beaumont was the greatest British Lions captain of a generation most capped and a Home Nations winner ..played 30 odd times...How many tries did he score in this record career. ????????
Quote ="El Diablo"The likes of Chev Walker may have earned more for the time they were in RU, but I doubt they're now earning as much as they could have been in RL had they stayed put.'"
So you need to ask yourself why did he return to such an inferior product.
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"Q. Bill Beaumont was the greatest British Lions captain of a generation most capped and a World Cup winner ..played 30 odd times...How many tries did he score in this record career. ????????'"
Bill Beaumont won a world cup?????????
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| Quote ="Lord_Percy"Bill Beaumont won a world cup?????????'"
or a test series or the home nations cant remember really
The way they carried on you would think it was the World Cup..
Do you know the answwer to the question???????
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| I always liked Jim Fallon as a great cross-over winger and was excellent in both codes. Big and powerful, huge attacking threat and hard as in defence (anyone remeber that cruncher of a tackle tackle on big Samoan Wigan centre, his name escapes me). Good scrapper as well (Fev CC semi @ Elland Road ). I know he started at Bath and I believe he ended there as well, didn't he have to stop playing because he risked losing an eye?? Or have I got that one way wrong? I also remember him playing for Richmond as soon as he left Leeds.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"I always liked Jim Fallon as a great cross-over winger and was excellent in both codes. '"
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"or a test series or the home nations cant remember really
The way they carried on you would think it was the World Cup..
Do you know the answwer to the question???????'" Firstly I suggest you get the question right.
Quote Lee wouldnt play at international RU level he hasnt been to the right schools.....
'" What school did Jason Robinson go to?
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| Quote ="G1"Firstly I suggest you get the question right.'"
The "question" is correct........
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| Quote ="G1"Firstly I suggest you get the question right.
What school did Jason Robinson go to?'"
Guess some school in Leeds.
What would be a good question is; how many of the England Team from last week did not attend a private school?
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"The "question" is correct........
'" is the answer none?
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| Quote ="Cala Millor Rhino"you do talk some tripe at times, but well done for brightening up my day!'"
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| Smith does not have the kicking game to be a fullback in Union. Not by a long way, grand final 40/20 aside. So your left with him on the wing. He is Quick but not overly quick as G1 takes great delight in mentioning everytime he doesn't outpace someone .
What he does bring you is excellent footwork and the ability to shrug off a tackle in open field, as well as being excellent in the air most of the time. All attributes that suit his game to RL, I don't think he'd be an International RU player by a long way.
By the same token, Armitage would be average at RL at best IMO.
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| Quote ="Andreww"Young internationals like Cipriani and Haskell are currently on £70k but are looking to double that in new contracts.'" if that's true for either of them (or any other young internationals) they won't want to know what chris is on
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| I'm lead to believe Danny Care is on 70k from Quins, whether he gets bonuses for internationals or not I don't know. Remember that when he signed the contract aged 19, 70k a year was alot of money.
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| BY my reckoning 6 of this Saturday's England team went to state school, 8 to public school (although some on rugby scholarships) and one was educated in NZ.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Guess some school in Leeds.
What would be a good question is; how many of the England Team from last week did not attend a private school?'"
As far as I can tell, and I haven't delved too deeply, of the starting 15, 5 attended state schools. 2 others attended Grammar Schools. Not sure what they count as.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"It just happened that that particular bit of tripe was probably accurate.'"
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| Quote ="El Diablo"2 others attended Grammar Schools. Not sure what they count as.'"
Certainly not in the 'private sector' otherwise mine would have had no chance attending.
Quote ="DoubleAone"Q. Bill Beaumont was the greatest British Lions captain of a generation most capped and a Home Nations winner ..played 30 odd times...How many tries did he score in this record career. ????????'"
Is it more or less than Gary Connolly managed to score while playing for Great Britain?
Bill Beaumont's try scoring prowess is hardly indicative of anything much considering wingers rarely crossed in internationals during his time.
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