Marwan is losing money at Salford in part because the centrally distributed monies are not what they should be - especially if you compare them to club RU - it is the job of the central body to negotiate them.

Splitting from the RFL would preserve more monies for the clubs in SL - which is exactly what Marwan needs.

Spot on. Whilst the RFL isn't exactly doing a great job so his idea of the clubs breaking away from the RFL sounds interesting, it could very well be a case of the grass isn't always greener and we end up having guys out just trying to look after themselves and their own club and it being a mess.

So Koukash wants the SL chairmen to trust his judgement and split from the RFL yet in his next breath he slags off one of the few commercially viable clubs and questions their worth? Not getting his negotiations off to the best start...

Koukash admits that Salford were over the salary cap by £51,000 in 2014 (although the RFL are saying it was more)

....and then a few lines later he says "If I've made a mistake, I'll accept the punishment. But for sure I did not do anything wrong."

Erm...you just admitted you did do something wrong and made a mistake by being at least £51k over the Salary Cap and you aren't accepting the punishment.

Does someone want to point out to Marwan that SL is already run by the SL clubs through Super League Europe?

The clubs alone are responsible for agreeing the broadcast rights, title sponsorship, format of the competition and the allocation/distribution of broadcast income and prize money. If he's not happy with any of those, he needs to be talking to his fellow chairmen, not taking pot shots at the RFL.

The likes of Koukash and Hudgell basically want to turn SL into "richest chairman wins". They have no interest in growing the game as a whole, just in their own personal glory.

If SL split from the RFL, it would have to build itself a whole new infrastructure in terms of marketing, administration etc. Who is going to pay for that, the club chairmen out of their own deep pockets? Don't make me laugh.

I disagree with koukash regarding splitting from the rfl, but for far too long they have been very complacent. By promoting the discussion, and attempting to get other club representatives involved, the rfl must surely look at themselves and realise the issues far more seriously than ever before now their is a spotlight on them.

Hasn't done the premier league any harm splitting away from the FA - it could be argued the best thing the bigger clubs ever did. It has certainly improved their cash flow.

RL is a a very closed narrow-minded community at the top end - everyone knows everyone look at its two leading officials: Ralf Rimmer couldn't deliver at Huddersfield yet has the 2nd most prestigious job in the game and fat boy slim was an accountant at Halifax RL!!

This organisation is crying out for some fresh blood and a cultural kick up the bum.

How much of the SL deal pays for the marketing etc? most likely it would be self funding and some.

But a separate SL would need to fund its own infrastructure rather than piggybacking off the RFL one in many instances.

Where does that money come from? It would have to come back into the centre from the clubs, either in terms of a levy or being deducted from their distribution. So unless the clubs can grow their income significantly, they'd be financially worse off by having to pay for a duplicated set of services.

The RFL runs the Challenge Cup. What happens to a separated SL and its member clubs there? Similarly the RFL is in charge of administering the international game, involving players from these SL clubs.

As with much of what Marwan says, he's opened his mouth to get some MEN column inches before engaging his brain to consider the ramifications of what he proposes.

Koukash is a charlatan but Wood is an incompetent. I'm not sure which is worse, but neither are good.

Koukash hasn't shown himself capable of running his own club well, god forbid running the game. His whole outburst makes little sense when put under scrutiny.

However, if he wants out of RL after 4 short years of failure at Salford, it makes sense as a strategy. Lose a salary cap case and then fail to "revolutionise" the game with a breakaway .... followed by walking away because "the game is holding him back".

That's my view on this nonsense.

Without the SL clubs what is the CC worth? The FA cup still prospers even with the top clubs being separated in the PL?

How do the FA get on with the international game when all the players play for PL clubs?

The RFL would have to stop piggybacking off the SL clubs and generate its own income? Why should the SL clubs pay to run an organisation that isn't fit for purpose.

There are plenty of changes id like to see at the RFL & indeed in SL but id vote for Bob the Builder before backing Koukash.
He's a whining "woa is us" gobsh*#$ he should concentrate on sorting his own club out & IF he has the evidence prove the RFL wrong.

that just isnt true. By virtue of the articles of association the holders of the top jobs of the RFL are the holders of those roles at SL. When SL demanded an independent SL CEO Blake Solly was parachuted in by the RFL without the job even being advertised, much to the chagrin of SL chairmen.

The RFL also decide the format of the competition and the mechanism for adding/removing clubs. SL clubs only have the decision on the number of clubs.

Regards allocation of broadcast income, there isnt really a decision to be made, the clubs own SL(europe) ltd equally so it is paid equally. With regards to the broadcast rights, the RFL negotiated the broadcast deal (and charged about £32m to the SL clubs for doing so) then presented it to SL chairmen giving them about an hour to decide whether to accept or not.

There is a reason no major sport has the governance structure we have.

Whilst the doc's motives are purely out of self interest and nothing to do with the good of the game, the rfl have not been fit for purpose for many years! I would like to know how much the employees are getting paid to do what seems relatively little

Frankly that the RFL is even solvent given most of its member clubs struggle to be so is an achievement. People really need to have more realistic expectations of what the sport can achieve.

Perhaps if the member clubs did't have to support such a large white elephant, I don't mean Nigel's food bills - they too would be solvent!!

Out of interest, what do you see as the RFL's biggest failings? For me, whilst the RFL undoubtedly has some, the biggest factor holding the sport back in this country are the clubs themselves.

We have clubs that can't produce their own, quality players.
We have clubs that can't pay tax bills on time.
We have clubs that have barely invested in facilities.
We have clubs that can't grow their attendances, attract new audiences, or grow revenue.
We have clubs that have to offer their primary shirt sponsorship as a raffle prize.
We have clubs that think that "marketing" is giving tickets out like sweets.

And Koukash thinks that these clubs should be running the sport?

It's time that we stopped using the (admittedly imperfect) RFL as a lightning rod for some frankly terrible management at club level.

This is the biggest load of bull - the RFL's priority is the wider good of the game and whilst that will often align with the priorities of the 12 Super League clubs it won't always, particularly when it comes to matters financial. They need funds to pay their development teams and fund the community game. The SL clubs don't exist in some void where the rest of the sport doesn't exist; they are just the twelve who happened to be sitting when the music stopped.

You could just as easily say the 12 Super League clubs should stop piggybacking off the RFL for the work it funded in developing the players they use. That they should stop piggybacking off the amateur clubs who put in the work, mostly for free and for which they receive a grudgingly-paid pittance. The SL clubs are nothing without the wider infrastructure of the sport - or would be after a few years or so.

There are two or three, at most, clubs who have shown themselves capable of operating with anything like the financial discipline of the RFL since the 2000 World Cup. They have every chance to show how to make Rugby League a commercial success and almost all fail miserably year after year. And Koucash thinks we should let them 100% run the show (instead of only 80% or so now?)? Pathetic.

The amateur games spins off the professional game just like it does in every other professional sport. Kids want to play partly because of the stars in the pro game. The amateur clubs don't raise players for some altruistic desire to support to the SL clubs. They do it because that is their hobby - that is what the enjoy doing in their spare time. Getting players signed by pro clubs is positive externality of that process not the end game. This is not funded by the RFL they are self funded, they do a hell of lot better job at developing participation that the development teams at the RFL.

What work do the RFL do in developing the players that play for the SL clubs? You may have a point with a few in London but that is it - the NRL clubs has done a lot more in developing SL players than the RFL ever have. Players get into the professional system and the financial burden of developing players 16+ has nothing to do with the RFL

There was a survey done on concussion in sport - guess which sport didn't have any data? you guessed right RL - so what are the RFL doing if they are not even collecting data on a potentially life changing aspect of the sport?

Perhaps if the RFL did a better job at promoting interest in the games and could negotiate meaningful commercial deals - the Eddie Stobart deal is but one example of their commercial capabilities then the professional clubs would be in a better financial state. If you genuinely think that the SL clubs could not negotiate better deals that Nigel and his cronies then I think you are naive.

The RFL is not fit for purpose - it is not delivering on its key objectives and needs some fresh blood and huge culture change.

No part of RL in this country is delivering on their key objectives (or what should be their key objectives). The SL clubs hold the power. They hold the vast majority of the money in the game and they do sod all of use with it.

I don't know how clubs that can't be bothered to get off their backsides and market themselves in any basic sense have the nerve to attack the RFL.

The RFL isn't very good, but if we want better we have to pay for it. We need a bigger, stronger RFL based in London and with a significant staff base.

But that means less money going to the clubs. Will Koukash be happy with that? I doubt it.

Just when you think Koukash may be actually using his brain by hiring Sheens and taking a bit of a step back, he comes back again proving he still has no idea how to run an RL club and he should be absolutely nowhere near running the sport. We'd have crashed and burnt inside 15 years and there'd be little left of us.

We must be the only industry in the world where someone who spends money investing in their product will run it in to the ground and the one taking a million a year out is the sustainable one.

Best selling job I have ever seen that GH and Caddick have managed to convince so many to argue with such vehemence that they are doing us a favour by taking millions of pounds out of the game and putting it in their pockets whilst Koukash is a profligate playboy who will destroy us all by taking millions out of his pockets and putting it in to the game.

Batsh|ttedry at its finest.

Caddick & Hetherington are the problem. Koukash is the solution.

You'll be able to back up that claim about them "taking a million a year out of the game" with figures from the accounts then, yes?

Otherwise, you're going to look very. very silly.

Director's remuneration in the Leeds CF&AC 2015 accounts was £200k by the way. Between 6 directors.

Any dividends?