If you think its rife in the UK then you don't have much experience of what it used to be like in the 1970s and 80s, things have improved beyond belief, partly due to the law enforcing racism as a crime and partly due to multi-cultural integration within schools.

I understand people of my fathers generation being racist, they know no better, people of my generation have a duty to keep their mouths shut if they cannot help themselves but more importantly to keep their mouths shut around their children - if they pass on their racism to their children then that is unforgivable because it is a taught response not a natural one.

bad mr johns, should know better.

Let me know if anyone has come across this though. My wife's church is predominatly attended by africans, and overhearing a conversation a couple of years ago she and her friend heard a chap from Nigeria say a racist slur about a white person who lives in his street. When my wife said that's a racist comment, he replied how can it be, it was about a white person, racism is when a non-white is abused verbally.

Everyone needs educating!!

Yes I certainly do have knowledge of the 70s & 80s - I ain't no spring chicken. Even recall some Indian friends being abused at school in the 60s. I couldn't understand then and I cannot understand now why skin colour or religion has any bearing on how you judge someone

It may have been worse then but it is still rife now. It is still a major problem

now that is Interesting. The man is correct by the letter of the law. Racism is abuse by the majority over the minority. As this is a White powered society(the Whites have the governing power and the population majority). that's how it was tought to me when I worked on a social work team at roundhay road social services after I left uni in 98 to 2000. I was indeed tought by my co-workers who were predominantly black and Asian that they couldn't be racist on the same grounds as the gent in your post pointed out.

you don't have to be white to be racist

totally understand you centiment! And i agree with that ideal.

but technically you are wrong. minority groups would disagree with you.

If a minority offers abuse it would be prejudice or xenaphobia
not rascim. Racism is about oppression! You can't be oppressed due to race or ethnicity if you are a part of the powered majority

Just remember this next time you think it's funny to call Sean Long a g[iyp[/io.

And Johns has fallen on his own sword , quite rightly .

Agreed!

'you are wrong' Says who?
according to the national curriculum, racism is holding prejudice beliefs against someone (or a group of people) because of their race or nationality (with racialism being acting on your racist beliefs).
And according to the oxford english dictionary, racism is: • noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
note that neither take into account whether the 'offernder' (for lack of a more fitting term) is part of the 'powered majority'

I'm only telling you what I was instructed as a social services worker in an ethnic strong hold of my city! That was ten years ago! But I know my fello ethnic workers and my line managers held firm to those rules.

Are you sure you were only saying:'well this is what i was taught...'
i note that you specifically said

To me thats not saying, there are different definitions, the one i go on is the one i was taught as blah blah, instead you were saying: you are wrong my definition is the correct one. And i dont think you were right to say that.

Btw, what did Johns actually say? I didnt see anything in the link All i could see was that it was a racist comment

Widnes 'till I die = Violet Elizabeth Bott

Wtf? If you have an issue with something i've said, then reply to my post, dont just randomly insult me.

Widnes 'till I die = Violet Elizabeth Bott x 2

I'll take that to mean that you dont actually take exception with that i've said

Can I just say that having lived, worked and made friends in australia that thier is more of an underlying rascist element here than I felt back when I lived in the U.K. It is a Problem over here that needs to be addressed. Just Google "Cronulla Riots" to see what can go on.

We're pointing and laughing at your hissy fit, you'd run Veruca Salt into a close second place in a foot stomping competition,

Why did a picture of FGB stomping round HQ come into my mind as i read that?

no I was been diplomatic! This is a very touchy subject to debate. I have come across it before! But you seem like on of those people I had to debate before!

Lower your swastika to half mast and try and work out for yourself what johns did wrong!

Yer in a minefield here mate!

More info on the Johns incident.. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5878945387

More info on the Johns incident.. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5878945387

Ah but what the he'll mate I have my heart on my sleeve regarding this!!!

bring it on!!!

If you can point out exactly what i said, which you interpreted as a hissy fit i'd appreciate it...im very confused


Im not sure what you are implying when you say 'you seem like one of those people i had to debate before.' Care to elaborate?
You werent being diplomatic, you said someone else was wrong because they agreed with the general consensus of the definition of racism (i.e. they agree with the likes of the national curriculum, and oed), rather than agreeing with the definition of racism you were taught. You shouldnt have stated this, end of story, im not sure why you are trying to make it into an argument.

Wtf? do you fancy explaining why you have implied i am a racist, simply for asking what it was that Johns said? I really think you have got me wrong. I've not said anything that could even be interpreted as being racist.

the fact that you use the national curriculum as some kind of bench mark says it all! have you any idea? Your are obviously a true believer! my word where do I start with a person like you?????