After a promising start we just switched off.
Wigan got a sniff and then the consistent penalties we gave away just buried us.
Hopefully that won't be season over for buderus because we need him imo.
I also don't see the point of having a sub and not using him especially 2nd half when the pack were struggling and missing tackles left right and centre.
Lets hope they re-group and put it right against wire next week.

Just got back from the match. I thought McGuire played well?????

He was looking for support and runners every time he had the ball and had no back-up imo and wasn't the worse player on a beaten side tonight.

"Bumpy patch" I hope you are right, but it has to be said that we have not hit the heights in quite a few games this season. If you are right you can use another one of those stupid emoticons when you write your entry at the end of the season proving me wrong.

So did I. Just his discipline fell apart late on. But he tackled his heart out, and tried everything.

To be honest I am not going to critisize any player individually.

It was entirely the coaches fault that defeat. Making his hooker substiitution was a joke. We could have won that game by half time with the dominance we had at the time. And non use of substitutes another barmy decision. He is the one to blame this week, not the players.

Although I will say I still touch cloth from the botty department when a kick goes to Donald.

I had a text from a Saints friend telling me they thought McGuire was poo, I didnt think he was as good as previous weeks but wasnt that bad

The two clear issues are the discipline and the Buderus/Diskin situation.

Bluey needs to grow some testicles and drop Diskin. Danny Buderus was playing state of origin last season and is an 80 minute player. I like Diskin and i though he did ok last night when he came on but Buderus is in a different class. He will be unhappy at been taken off all the time. It's probably too late now this season but it needs sorting for next year.

With 14 minutes or so left last night i still fancied us, then giving away 5 or 6 penalties runied any chance we had of doing anything.

get it sorted bluey, show them who is the boss.

The last few games have hidden the fact that Leeds really arent quite on it and with the Coach in charge never will be.

The decision to take of Buderus (who it is a priveledge to watch) when Leeds were well on top was nothing short of schoolboy, Buderus has always been a 80 mins number 9 so why bloody play him in spells.

Additionally, I also though Sinfield was garbage, his speed of thought cost us two tries lastnight, he seems incapable of shifting the ball quickly.

Discipline i would suggest is almost becoming Carry On its that bloody funny.

My thoughts exactly - Wigan always beat us in the league but we always win the Grand Final

Two of the Wigan tries seemed to come from lazy / slow / poor slide defence from left to right (am thinking of the two where Wigan runners were coming back against the slide defence).

The first when McGuire was on the floor and not at marker it seemed Burgess was slow moving to his right to cover Sinfields inside (no coincidence he was substituted immediately after?).

Not sure on the second until I see it again.

Our goal line defence just hasn't seemed upto it lately, at the start of the season it was one of the stand out parts of our game.

Anyone any idea's why its gone of the boil? Have teams worked out some sort of weakness?

Burgess' lateral movement doesn't quite seem upto it, are teams exploiting this? (not wanting to single him out, but its been mentioned on here before...)

Buderus was our best player but i also thought burrow looked quite sharp and never stopped working.

Senior was awful and is getting quite consistent at it but he keeps having the odd good game and everyone thinks the sun shines out of his a*se. Move him into the pack or end it bluey he is a spent force.

Disapointing performance from the Rhinos. Wigan had built this game up and the Warriors could not afford to be poor after the hype. Bluey tried to play it down so much that we were still asleep when we ran on the pitch. Absolute rubbish I am afraid. Rather than calming them down they need a good kick up the backside. He was already talking about a weekend off 2 weeks ago and we still have to "welcome" Tony Smith back to Headingley next week. We have got to be better than this

I wish Sinfield would play more like a traditional 13 and concentrate more on his running game than his passing game. The reason for this is not because I don't rate Sinfield - i do, but McGuire is wasted in the current Leeds team.

McGuires best games this year were when the team were more reliant on him being the key playmaker due to Burrow being injured. At the moment he is forced to stick in one channel and doesn't see enough of the ball. A few times on friday Burrow zig zagged all over the pitch, he didn't seem to know what he was trying to do. I'd put McGuire at 7 - and bring Burrow on for impact at 9 while Buderus is injured.

If we are going to continue with the current 6,7 and 13 as they are let the half backs play the half back role and the 13 play a forwards role.

Senior is having his best season for quite some time.
Who do you suggest plays at centre then?

When webb is fit

We have options with Smith Watkins Gibson and Ratu

The last three need to be playing consistantly to gain the big game experience they play one week then the next its all change again.

Not much centre experience at at SL level.Senior has been our most potent force leave him where he is.

WHo will play hooker then?

By far the biggest offender penalty wise - who is also the captain so presumably plays a part in setting the example for his team mates - didn't play last week. Coincidence?

Is sinfield really top penalty conceder. I'd have had it as JJB or ABlett, with Senior not far behind

I'd have guessed similarly but I was bored enough to look them up yesterday. Have a look on the 'discipline' thread for the top 10.

Just seen it. In his defence he ususally plays 80 mins, and is top tackler or therabouts, compared to JJB, and other forwards who probably do more like 60mins.

Looked back a bit further at his year on year stats:

2006 0.38 penalties per game
2007 0.48 penalties per game
2008 0.52 penalties per game
2009 0.98 penalties per game

Getting worse year on year but a massive decline in discipline this year.

Add that to his recent televised response to a high penalty count that boiled down to 'the referees are picking on Leeds' and [imaybe[/i he is the biggest problem - the worst offender, who seemingly wont accept responsibility and who, as Captain, sets the lead for his team mates on field conduct?

THat is very interesting. He does seem to have become a different person this year. Seems to be more arrogant, and lippy to the refs, which I don't like to see. he used to be such a nice boy.

Any statistics on other players? Is Sinfield the only player whose discipline has gotten much worse under Mclennan's guidance or have the whole team declined under his coaching?

While I am not sticking up for Sinni and the apparent lack of discipline in the team, remember that Sinni is the one player wh is allowed to talk to the ref if he feels that something has happened that is unjust or if he wants clarity.

Now I am not close enough to be able to hear what Sinni says to the ref, but it could be that he is asking for clarity a lot of the times.

I could be completely wrong as well mind!