Basically Mary ran at Ryan, he could have chosen to side step him but instead tried to run over him all Ryan did was stand there and brace himself for the contact.

It's all Marys fault

Fairy Masavalu ran at Bailey and Bailey didnt get out of the way.

Cheers

Just as he's supposed to do.

Give Fa'asavalu his due, he's about the only person connected with St Helens who hasn't complained about it.

Does Big Mary have such a thing as a side step in his armoury??

Credit to the bloke though, as mentioned he's the only one who aint going on about it being an unfair challenge...

Very true

He hasn't talked about it because he can't. His nose is broken; his jaw ia sore; and he's been to hospital twice to try and sort things out.
Shame!
Maybe once he can speak once again we may hear some more whining.

Sorry to disagree with you but the rules of the game state.

" [ia player is guilty of misconduct when effecting or attempting a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent [/i [b[iintentionally, recklessly or carelessly[/i."

I don't think any of those three apply. IMO

Yet more proof that Bailey has a very impressive tackle.

Is that stereotyping of Black people? G1 will have you on that one

By "that kind" I mean any tackle using the shoulder without the arms. Which it was. It is, in either event, currently legal to "tackle" in that way in RL (not in RU though). The "any other one like it" you would refer to, are also challenges I would like to see outlawed. However, that will divide opinion I am sure, and the fact remains that at present they are not illegal. Sonny Bill Williams is an excellent exponent of such "tackles". It can be fun to watch, but I think it's probably unduly dangerous to both parties and not the greatest technique. Mr Williams found himself spending time in the sin bin for such challenges in his first forays into RU.

Agreed, but if he'd been Marcus Bai he would have just got up and played the ball..

Whilst knocked out? Is Bai superhuman?

Yes.

I've said all along it's a fair shot.

I agree to some extent with Potter that if we're sayingshoulder to the head is legal we might have some issues, but in that particular circumstance, I think it was OK.

Credit where it's due, most of you guys have, and nobody here has moaned about getting beat. Which is why I can't understand where all the rest has come from the last few days.
Some serious issues that have little to do with Friday night being worked out on the Leeds board this week.

Fair enough holding that opinion.

The first point of contact on Fa'asavalu was above the shoulder who was more or less running at his normal height.

It was a high tackle IMO and worthy of a penalty, just as the challenge of Watmough on Burrow had been in the WCC.

Fair enough we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I fail to understand should Baily have crouched down to bring his shoulder in line with Mary's chest? when you consider that Bailey did not in fact tackle at all he just stood there and let Mary run into him. If Mary insists on head butting Baileys shoulder (which effectivly is what he did, look at the video Bailey did not move into the tackle) whats the problem.

Cool, open season on anyone below five feet ten.

Why should tacklers have to bother lowing their arms when they can just swing them at shoulder height and hit whatever part of the body or head happens to be at that level?

if you are 5ft 10 then don't run into people leading with your head?

I don't know if you've noticed, but the human head does tend to be in a fairly fixed position atop the shoulders. It doesn't move from there unless forcibly assisted.

The duty of care lies with the tackler to ensure he makes contact below the neck.

Robbie Burrow take note!