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| Completely agree with you there as been a lot of sh## talked about this.
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| well he will soon know his punishment if he doesn't already.
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| I wonder when we'll hear what Hardaker's punishment is?
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| I don't think anyone could argue if Hardaker claimed his mind was quite unable to take in or process this information.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I don't think anyone could argue if Hardaker claimed his mind was quite unable to take in or process this information.'"
'Unfortunately' for Zak, he took the test and failed it.
Bailey avoided taking one.
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"'Unfortunately' for Zak, he took the test and failed it.
Bailey avoided taking one.'" he took it and passed a couple of days later
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| Quote ="The Eagle"he took it and passed a couple of days later'"
As Zak may well have done had he used similar tactics
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| Entirely possible he's daft enough to have failed the second one too.
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A couple of things:
the current 'standard' WADA tariff for a 1st time anti-doping offence is 4 years unless there are extenuating circumstances. Most who are charged with testing positive for 'cocaine' get 2 years as the time that the usage took place is deemed as out of competition - the testing laboratory are asked to confirm that their results agree with this claim. Usage in competition would almost certainly attract the full 4 year ban.
As for the Ryan Bailey case I suggest you actually go and read the judgement https://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/ ... Bailey.PDF
He did not by any stretch of the imagination as has been reported in some places successfully claim he was right to refuse to do the test
A few facts from the judgement:
Point 40 dismisses any justification for refusing to take the test on the basis that the bottles may have been tampered with:
"There was no valid reason for Mr Bailey to have not taken the test. Any concern of Mr Bailey over the water could have been catered for by doing as Mr Taylor in fact suggested, that is by making a written record of his concerns, and even retaining one of the bottles for subsequent analysis if necessary."
Point 47 rules out a dismissal of the case based on the procedural irregularities highlighted by his defence.
The conclusion clearly states that
"the anti-doping violation is established" ie the panel found him 'guilty' of the charge of failing or refusing to provide a sample he was facing. However, they also found that he bore 'no fault or negligence' due to the "truly exceptional circumstances of his case" and therefore he received no punishment. Those circumstances are not entirely clear but they appear to be based on the evidence of 2 psychiatrists, virtually all of which is redacted in the published judgement - I will not speculate on that evidence but if you do read the judgement some of the phrases used may lead you to form an opinion as to what those circumstances may be.
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A couple of things:
the current 'standard' WADA tariff for a 1st time anti-doping offence is 4 years unless there are extenuating circumstances. Most who are charged with testing positive for 'cocaine' get 2 years as the time that the usage took place is deemed as out of competition - the testing laboratory are asked to confirm that their results agree with this claim. Usage in competition would almost certainly attract the full 4 year ban.
As for the Ryan Bailey case I suggest you actually go and read the judgement https://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/ ... Bailey.PDF
He did not by any stretch of the imagination as has been reported in some places successfully claim he was right to refuse to do the test
A few facts from the judgement:
Point 40 dismisses any justification for refusing to take the test on the basis that the bottles may have been tampered with:
"There was no valid reason for Mr Bailey to have not taken the test. Any concern of Mr Bailey over the water could have been catered for by doing as Mr Taylor in fact suggested, that is by making a written record of his concerns, and even retaining one of the bottles for subsequent analysis if necessary."
Point 47 rules out a dismissal of the case based on the procedural irregularities highlighted by his defence.
The conclusion clearly states that
"the anti-doping violation is established" ie the panel found him 'guilty' of the charge of failing or refusing to provide a sample he was facing. However, they also found that he bore 'no fault or negligence' due to the "truly exceptional circumstances of his case" and therefore he received no punishment. Those circumstances are not entirely clear but they appear to be based on the evidence of 2 psychiatrists, virtually all of which is redacted in the published judgement - I will not speculate on that evidence but if you do read the judgement some of the phrases used may lead you to form an opinion as to what those circumstances may be.
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| 5 year contract with Wigan, strongly rumoured.
Seems to have landed on his feet again!
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| Does that include his 2 year ban?
And have Cas torn up his contract and sacked him otherwise they will rightly demand a hefty transfer fee?
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| Quote ="chapylad"Does that include his 2 year ban?
And have Cas torn up his contract and sacked him otherwise they will rightly demand a hefty transfer fee?'"
His drugs ban makes his contract null & void.
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| The Wigan deserve all they get when he inevitably poops on their good will in the coming seasons.
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| so Cas paid Leeds a fee ,was it in full or installments ?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"so Cas paid Leeds a fee ,was it in full or installments ?'"
Either way they still have to pay.
It`s a bit like losing your mobile phone and having no insurance n
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"His drugs ban makes his contract null & void.'"
Really? I didn`t know that.
Thought Cas had found him a job working for them in some capacity until his ban ran out?
He certainly has pished them off then if true.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Either way they still have to pay.
It`s a bit like losing your mobile phone and having no insurance
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So the Sleeve has played a blinder again
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| I wonder if Cas had decent insurance on him?
Given his troubles with us, I'm sure they did. Poor bit of business if so. And even then, tearing up his contract probably won't stop them hanging onto his playing registration.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Really? I didn`t know that.
Thought Cas had found him a job working for them in some capacity until his ban ran out?
He certainly has pished them off then if true.'"
they will still hold is registration for the duration of said contract, and i doubt Rfl would allow contract negotiations with a banned player registers at another club. it is what it is just a rumor doubt there is much truth in it.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"His drugs ban makes his contract null & void.'"
You might be right, but how do you know this?
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| Quote ="tigertot"You might be right, but how do you know this?'"
he doesn't but contract being null and void does not stop Castleford holding his registration, remember the Iystyn Harris saga, Leeds held is registration, when he when to union. plus has a banned player Wigan cannot offer him jack s##t until his ban is up, and then only if Castleford officially sack/release him, otherwise he will still be registered at Cas. Castleford will not have voided his contract, they will have suspended him without pay until his ban is up, then they can either pick up the remainder of his contract or release him, if Cas had noted just paid out a transfer fee they probably would have sacked him on the spot.
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"'Unfortunately' for Zak, he took the test and failed it.
Bailey avoided taking one.'"
That just means Bailey is smarter than hardaker
Jesus hardaker must be really thick
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| Quote ="tigertot"You might be right, but how do you know this?'"
It's standard practice with regards to a drugs ban it protects the Club from having to pay a SL contract to a player they can't select similar to the relegation clauses.
However as has been pointed out his registration is a different matter iirc.
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