Ferres was bad luck I agree.

Overall our rise and fall is a classic sports story - of how to build a champion side and how to completely fail to manage the transition to a new side.

Its actually not unique - what is unique is how long our success lasted and how far and fast we've fallen and for how long.

GH managed to persuade that squad to take less money than they would get elsewhere . Now they have started to sign so called Marquee players,.Another golden generation like that playing for less than they could get elsewhere wont come around again . I am happy for them that they got the rings and medals and trophies

now stop your panicking your a win in front of everybody

If hull KR or London lose then that's two wins ahead, and four teams in a worse position.

If we go down from here we'll only have ourselves to blame.

Who gets the credit once we stay up????

Credit for surviving? Assuming we do its still 3 out of 4 years where the best we could do is stay in SL.

To be fair if we stay up credit needs to be given to the late flurry of signings, so Sinfield I guess.

I do hope that the club isn't blinded to how poor we are by a late run to survival.

The fans clearly, as we know it's the players/Agar/Hetherington/Sinfield/Furner/McDermott/Caddick who got us into this mess.

McDermott

No credit to anyone either coach nor players

Do people get credit for turning up for work and doing the bare minimum to keep a job?

If we stay up and I expect we will then it’s down to the players and coaches etc at Headingley that have started to do their job having taken ownership and responsibility for the position we are in.
Unfortunately it is no different to everyone on here who goes to work everyday and does their best for their wage, we don’t however get much credit for doing our job.

Leeds (-58 - 1icon_cool.gif - Catalan H, St Helens H, London A, Salford H, Warrington H.

Wakefield (-127 - 1icon_cool.gif - Hull FC H, Hull KR A, Wigan H, Warrington A, London H.

Huddersfield (-131 - 1icon_cool.gif - Salford A, Hull FC A, Castleford H, St Helens A, Catalan H.

Hull KR (-187 - 1icon_cool.gif - Wigan A, Wakefield H, Catalan A, London H, Salford A

London (-250 - 16) - Castleford A, Catalan A, Leeds H, Hull KR A, Wakefield A.

Wakefield have the worst run of fixtures IMO

Catalans should be fielding a weakened team against us and London with the bans that should be going their way.

London v Hull kr and Hull kr v Wakefield are massive games, are they on Sky Sports?

Really? London with only one home game, should have worst fixtures. However, will probably see that Wakey v London game last game as a decider, assuming London pick up a win before then.

At this stage there are no easy predictable games for anyone . We could have done with Cas winning today too

Actually you’re correct, For some reason I thought more of Londons games were at home, the biggest thing they have going for them is they’re not expected to stay up so can play without as much fear as other teams.

Im just glad we seem to have some sort of form going into these games, Wakefield look shot!

Also what does help us (a bit) is that a lot of the teams in the relegation battle play each other so those are games where one of our fellow strugglers will lose

London have four away. Two points behind everyone and with an irretrievable points diff, they're gone IMO.

EDIT: sorry, hadn't seen that Gotcha had posted something v similar when I wrote this.

I'm not sure. They've shown some spirit. I doubt they're ready to throw in the towel yet. Their last few fixtures are all teams directly above them.

Probably, but if they pick up wins against Hull kr, Wakefield and one other, I think they will survive. A big ask but they still have a fighting chance.

This might be a bit controversial but not having one team clearly and obviously screwed and going down isn't ideal IMO. In the case of us, we would really have liked to focus on rebuilding, having a look at some of the younger players etc. this season. However, having 4 or 5 teams all capable of going down and scrapping and scrabbling for points is a massive distraction. You can't rebuild a house while it's still on fire. Literally we will probably be looking at one win being the difference between 3 or 4 teams, Leeds included. What job can you do other than survive? You can't take risks you have no time to bed players in - instant impact or out - same with the coach, we've already binned Furner (which seems like an age ago now but it was this season).
I'm sure it's all lovely and interesting for neutrals but in reality Saints are p!$$ing it this year and frankly watching several terrible teams with zero consistency battle to avoid financial disaster and possibly genuine extinction is not my idea of fun.

As you say for the neutral it's a different matter. I can imagine it would be far duller if the bottom 5 had nothing to play for.

This just doesn’t happen safe from relegation or otherwise. Senior players are very rarely dropped from a side just to give youngsters a chance. Catalan, Salford and Cas are all safe, none of them are fielding weakened sides to have a look at youngsters, other than those down to injuries. This is what a pre season friendly, reserve game, dual registration or loans are for, not a Super League fixture.

Forecast final standing Wins in Bold
26 Hull KR............Wigan, Wakefield, Catalan, London, Salford,
22 Leeds.............. Catalan, St Helens, London, Salford, Warrington
22 Huddersfield......Salford, Castleford, Hull, Catalan St Helens
22 Wakefield..........Hull, Hull KR, Wigan, Warrington, London
18 London............Castleford, Catalan, Leeds, Hull KR, Wakefield

Its the plastic pitch that might overturn Leeds !