Good call ,i think it was away at Fev mate where he got crocked and eventually retired thank feck.

What a great thread.

My fave Leeds XIII

Anthony Gibbons
Errol Johnson
Carl Hall
Sateki Tuipolutu
John Basnett
Chris Vasey
David Cruickshank
David Young
Mick Shaw
Lee Crooks
Ian Scott
Mark Brooke Cowden
Mick Worrall

I thought it was at home against Dewsbury?

Correctamundo.

Wasn't his debut away at Featherstone in a televised Challenge Cup tie, may be what rhinoms is thinking of?

And Bullseye, I'm disappointed more of Bradford's brilliant acquisitions from Leeds haven't made your list - the likes of Mark Wilson and Wayne Heron for example.

Wayne Heron may have been a pale immitation of his brother but he did score us the winner in the 1987 YC Final replay.

As for Mark Wilson he was kak but again did score us the winner versus Leeds to put you lot out of the YC in 1991.

Crooks is a must for any dire Leeds XIII. His time at Leeds typified why they under achieved for so long. I'd have thought someone would've stirred things up by including Schofield too!

I'm not forgiving Errol Johnson though. We had to get rid of Carl Hall and steal James Lowes to get you back for that one!

Ryan Bailey.
Couldn't catch a dose in a brothel.
For an alleged "hard man" soon disappears when it all kicks off.(Normally after he has started it).
Waste of a shirt.

Why thank you.
Do we have to tow the party line and only get at players such as Kirke.
Are we not allowed our own opinions.
Nice way to welcome a new poster.

4 Championship rings (although now stolen)
Leeds 1st Team regular for nearly a decade
Representative honours

Having a differing opinion to the main stream is easily tolerated but when you offer nothing but pathetic drivel with absolutely no evidentiary support then being branded a Muppet is tame by comparison.

Show some substantiation for your dismal claim and I will gladly debate you in a mature and reasoned manner otherwise you shall be stamped with the big red Muppet logo.

So… either put up or shut up.

You were doing so well until then.


So he has 4 championship rings,how much does he actually contribute.
Not much.

Representative honours.
Even Paul Sykes has those mate.

Just my opinion but he doesn't do a lot for the Leeds team.
If you don't like my opinion
Either put up or shut up.

Are you going to offer any reasoned retort or just your deluded opinion?

I have offered evidence to substantiate my opinion that he is a worthy member of the current Leeds squad while you on the other hand… have not.

Still waiting.

Deluded is it.
I disagree with some of the players that have been posted on here but haven't acted like a playground bully.
It's my opinion and to me that's all that matters.
But obviously with all your posts on this forum your views must be correct every time,and we mustn't offend you.
Are we not allowed to criticize current Leeds squad members but happily denigrate past players.
I hope most forum members aren't like you.

1) I am in no way offended, it would take a lot more than a pointless opinion to offend me.
2) Please feel free to criticise any players, past or present but at least have the decency to offer some evidence to substantiate your opinion.
3) Who are "we"?
4) Are you American?

I'm sorry but why do i have to substantiate my opinion to you.
Leeds born and bred mate,although I did go to college in America.
So my opinion is pointless and yours obviously isn't.
Many many good players didn't win anything at Leeds and to me Bailey has been in the right place at the right time.Does that make him a good player, not really.

You don't have to substantiate your opinion at all mate - you just look a bit like a muppet if you don't.

Next time I see Bailey I'm going to ask him for 6 numbers between 1 and 49 because he must be the luckiest b'stard in the world managing to be in the right place at the right time on so, so many occasions.

You and Ryan big pals then?
Is that why your defending him like your life depends on it.
A Muppet for disagreeing with you.
Should I agree with everything you say so I don't look like a Muppet.
Or can I not have views of my own without writing a dissertation on why my opinion should be valid.

Not at all - I've only spoken to the guy a couple of times, I'm defending him because you're wrong.



No, a muppet for your "that Bailey is dead crap and not hard and that either" post



As I previously said but will repeat for the hard of reading, you don't have to qualify anything you post, you just look a but stupid if you don't

Am I wrong,to you ,yes,to other people no.It's called opinion.deal with it.
So i think Bailey is crap,big deal.
How dare I suggest he isn't actually all that good.
Get a grip
MUPPET.

It's like trying to educate pork - I give up.

Be careful,it's a long fall from that high horse.
Please enlighten me as to why Ryan Bailey isn't one of the worst players I have ever seen.
Yes,4 grand final rings.
Representative honours.
A "mainstay" of a Leeds pack that should do more damage than it actually does.
Does all that constitute a good player,well in your eyes it does,but not to me.
By the way lay off the personal insults,it demeans you.

IF you are new to the forum and not another tin pot troll (yet to be decided) then welcome and of course you are entitled to freely post your opinions on any player ,coach or subject you wish to.
The main reason you incurred such a response was because your opening post is the same tired old tripe we get from every internet troll ,crank ,know nowt every season and is at best predictable and again to be fair all you've done is slate a player that has achieved so much during his time here since coming through our acadamy without offering any reasonable back up points imho.
Now IF that's your genuine opinion of Ryan again fair enough but his record is decent enough especially on the honours board EVERY coach has picked him when fit within their 1st choice 17 since his debut and lets be honest that's a bit more than luck and we all know there are no "passengers" in a RL game or you soon get found out.
Oh and one other thing whilst you are well within your right to post don't forget it's a public forum and others have the right to disagree and offer their own opinions on what you post.

I must admit to having a soft spot for Crooksy. He was one of the best players I've ever seen, just not in a Leeds shirt. He suffered a really horrible shoulder injury against Wigan in the JP semi at Bolton after only being with us 3-4 months and missed the rest of the season. Most of us start "filling out" around the 30yo mark but Crooksy started a little earlier, 23. I saw him roll out (quite litteraly) for his comeback game in the A team near the end of the season and it was like watching a burger van with legs. There is the phrase "shadow of his former self", well Crooksy was a full blown total solar eclipse. The GB tour was that summer and I don't think he even made that.

He failed to get in my team simply becuase at a game against Wigan at CP, while being tackled in the face by Greame West, he simply threw the ball away and he punched the $h1t out of him. The Goon fan I was stood next to (who had been shouting "'ead 'unter" and "gerrum onside" at every tackle) went purple and nearly had a coronary. Hilarious.

Dude, chill out. You nominated Bailey. LS16 has justified why he disagrees with that by quantifying why Bailey is a decent player, in his opinion, citing the players significant achievements.

All you have done is say "he's crap" with little substance to substantiate that.

Now, of course you are entitled to that opinion but once you post it on a public forum it is going to be challenged. If it is challenged you'll become a welcomed and respected poster on the forum if you're articulate enough to justify it, even if people still disagree.

If you're unable to do that you will be in good company, well, you will be in company on here.

Given Bailey's overall contribution (in comparison to other team members) to the 4 SL titles, then yes... it's not an unreasonable assessment that his 4 Championship Rings were indeed stolen



No successful team can be chocka full of star players... they also require some non-flashy workhorses whose work is integral to success, but whose work in the main goes unnoticed. And if the competition isn't too flash (and that is most certainly the case in SL) a successful team can even get away with panning out it's squad with a pretender or an hanger-on or two disguised as integral members of the team... now that's where Bailey's role comes in ---> ordinary metres made, usually third man in the tackle sprinkled with a hint of niggle, a chicken win tackle here and there, the odd stray elbow, and then a hasty retreat behind someone like Rob Burrow when an opposition player decides to react and threaten to smack him.

On the topic of representative honours, the last time he played for GB was way back in 2004 when GB lost 4-44 in the Tri Nations Final at Elland Rd. His only other representative honours were mostly off the bench for England in 2006 in a Mickey Mouse tournament which also saw Ashley Gibson and Danny Williams getting several gigs in the First XIII. Well whoop de doo! If a graphical representation of Bailey's career potential or usefulness (Y-axis) were to be plotted as an illustration, it would resemble a ski slope starting near the top in 2002 with a sharp descent from 2004 to 2007, to be swiftly followed by a near perfect linear association with the X-axis.

If the criteria for substantiating a player and his worthiness is how many Championship Rings he has in his possession (stolen or otherwise), Ian Kirke must be a world class genius. The selective way in which this particular criteria is applied to the likes of Bailey, Diskin and Donald merely illustrates the ted nature of applying it in the first place.

Now 'Keith' can we really rely on anything you post these days, really?

With your reputation for bending the truth to suit your own needs we honestly can’t believe anything you type now can we?