You're both right and it remains a real bug bear for my records.

Officially Mathers was named at full-back with McGuire on the right wing in place of Calderwood after his hapless show at Odsal the week before.

In reality though, Mathers started on the wing with McGuire at full-back. No question about it and confirmed the following night in the YEP match report.

As my records are purely unofficial I've always gone with how they lined up at kick-off, but that's just me.

Either way it's the only time McGuire has started a game in a position other than in the halves.

You are the dogs nads tvoc

AT LAST a poster who talks some sense !! You know your stuff 07. As for "true Leeds fans"

Well there are not many of those about matey - just people that like to moan & put down players.

Danny Mags should move to the Bulls where him & Deacon would rule the 2009 Superleague !!

He's got ambition to win more silverware

And that is exactly why he should move to the Bulls

Him and Superdeacs would run the show in Superleague.

You whinos have had your day, while we just stood back & let you - NOW the Bulls are back for 2009 & we would appreciate a player like Danny Mags - SO let us have him & shut up the moaners !!

i posted this on the saints board a while back, but heres my 2p's worth again

pryce has strengths mcguire has strengths!

pryce is noway better than mcguire and vice versa

pryce, well anderson really is/was awesome at getting pryce running at tierd, disjointed, unorgainsed defences with the quick play the ball. one on one pryce is very good at braking tackles and punching holes. his offload is constant. but against well drilled ,organised defences with slow play the ball he has very little, thats what happend in the world cup and GF 07,08.

pryce for me is awesome at what he does braking tackles and offloading, noway in hanley's class but top draw at sl level and defo has a role for england/gb im just not sure what it is, personally i think at fullback but thats just me


mcguire doesnt have the strength of pryce but is developing and improving other parts of his game, like his long/short kicking and passing where he is already better than pryce imo. mcguire is becoming a true six as he showed in the world cup semi. he hasnt been just a support player for a long time but other fans will always use it against him in pub/forum snipes. the one thing mcguire has over pryce in spades is his posative attitude, he is one of the nicest blokes you could meet and is always looking to better himself on and off the pitch

mcguire has out shined pryce enough when it has mattered the most in various big games at club and international level so for anyone to say pryce is better imo is wrong

You've more chance of platting fog!!

TVOC i would love to know where you get all your stats from

Welcome back to SS.com, you've been missed pal

Nowadays from a labyrinth of spreadsheets. Keeping basic records from Leeds games is just something I've done for the past 30 years. Pre SL they're far from complete and always will be because it's just a bit of a hobby and I know my limits.

When you decide you've had enough of your hobby, can I have your labyrinth of spreadsheets?

Well said. I agree wit hall of it.

CMR got there first. You'll have to fight him for them.

I'm expecting big things from the new official site's promise of 'in depth' stats. A club of Leeds' standing deserves a significant on-line stat presence and it's one that it has always sadly lacked.

One interesting stat from last year is that McGuire's % missed tackle rate was actually only negligibly worse than Gareth Ellis's. Not sure how well this reflects on Ellis mind - that said, I seem to recall the figure being more than twice as good than for Sean Long

Ellis was rubbish, that's why Leeds got rid.

I remember the game, and you've already agree with my thoughts on how they lined up.

Given that, how do you record the line-up's from 2007 when Diskin was out, such as Millenium Magic? I've got the teamsheet for that game and it states that Kirke was playing at hooker, but I always thought Sinfield covered that role during the games.

I'm from the Roy Walker school of 'say what you see.'

My MM pack from 2007 reads:

Kylie Leuluai, Kevin Sinfield, Jamie Thackray
Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Ian Kirke, Gareth Ellis

Extract from the YEP match report: [i"Ali Lauitiiti limped off early on and Ian Kirke – named at hooker, playing in the second-row – and Kylie Leuluai battled through despite head wounds." [/i

Dunemann and Sinfield, Dunemann and Burrow were OK but when it was Dunemann and McGuire they could be either or and often were. I usually waited for the 1st scrum to determine who was the starting SH.

I take the view that keeping unofficial records allows me some latitude. It's only ever a dispute over the split between starting positions, nothing worse than that.

He's trouble is Ellis.

What do you mean?

He's trouble.

Why?

He'll cause trouble.

Typo...

LMFAO!!
Quality D.A

Not bad, not bad at all...

With the benefit of time and hindsight, this is an interesting topic to read.