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| I read on twitter earlier today that 6 Rhinos have been chosen for England Academy.
Trout, Holroyd, Johnson, Broadbent, Newman & McConnell.
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| Thanks for the views.
Looks like at least 1 will be required this week, hopefully they will be ready.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Im not as big a fan of Trout as others are i think he looks a bit slow but he has some talent a decent offload and has a good step.
Holroyd is still a kid but if he was thrown into the 1st team on the bench he would cope for 10 mins or so easily. He runs so powerfully he really takes some stopping. I know Super League is a massive step up on 19s rugby and for a kid so young it would be a huge ask but ive no doubt in him at all.
As ive said previous the hooker Corey Johnson probably isnt quite ready to step up yet but hes better than Brad Dwyer now and id rather see him on bench than Dwyer. I hope they dont ruin Johnson by making him bulk up.'"
I would agree with all that, except that Dwyer can offer us a bit of flexibility in the forwards rather than just hooker, as he is physical enough. Although, that said, Johnson is also an outstanding half aswell as hooker, if you looked at it from that point of view.
Alex Sutcliffe is the most ready replacement for the first team, and I would have him at centre before Keinhorst, and in the back row long before the likes of Walters. His major problem is the lad can't seem to get a break from the injuries he keeps getting.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I would agree with all that, except that Dwyer can offer us a bit of flexibility in the forwards rather than just hooker, as he is physical enough. Although, that said, Johnson is also an outstanding half aswell as hooker, if you looked at it from that point of view.
Alex Sutcliffe is the most ready replacement for the first team, and I would have him at centre before Keinhorst, and in the back row long before the likes of Walters. His major problem is the lad can't seem to get a break from the injuries he keeps getting.'"
Well thats exactly it with Alex Sutcliffe and while i personally dont think he will make the grade at Leeds at the moment he probably is the most ready out of the forwards at the moment. The others are still s bit young.
Brad Martin is another talented player but again still a bit young and injuries have impacted his season.
In regards to Corey i hope they forget the halves idea and let him concentrate solely on the hooking role. Hope he continues to develop as he is.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Well thats exactly it with Alex Sutcliffe and while i personally dont think he will make the grade at Leeds at the moment he probably is the most ready out of the forwards at the moment. The others are still s bit young.
Brad Martin is another talented player but again still a bit young and injuries have impacted his season.
In regards to Corey i hope they forget the halves idea and let him concentrate solely on the hooking role. Hope he continues to develop as he is.'"
100% Agree re-Corey mate ![Thumbs up icon_thumb.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_thumb.gif)
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| u19s game vs Catalans live on facebook today, 2.30pm kick off
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| Both Alex sutcliffe and chapman smith helped from field with bad looking injuries in first 15 mins
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| Won 42-26 Holroyd sent off aswell that's a great win.
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| Good win for the 19's yesterday, showed some good reslience in a hard place to play and playing with a squad of 15 for most of the game due to early injuries. Does anyone know how suttcliffe and chapman-smith are doing?
Also congratulations to the 6 lads called up to the England academy squad...Trout, McConnell, Newman, Holroyd, Broadbent and Johnson, some brilliant talent there and well deserved recognition. Pretty much what i expected but think Tyler Dupree is unlucky to miss out, he's been a real handful of an impact prop all year for the 19's...Talent wise Brad Martins easily good enough for a call up, but hasnt played that many games so can understand him missing out.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Good win for the 19's yesterday, showed some good reslience in a hard place to play and playing with a squad of 15 for most of the game due to early injuries. Does anyone know how suttcliffe and chapman-smith are doing?
Also congratulations to the 6 lads called up to the England academy squad...Trout, McConnell, Newman, Holroyd, Broadbent and Johnson, some brilliant talent there and well deserved recognition. Pretty much what i expected but think Tyler Dupree is unlucky to miss out, he's been a real handful of an impact prop all year for the 19's...Talent wise Brad Martins easily good enough for a call up, but hasnt played that many games so can understand him missing out.'"
Sadly, both Sutcliffe and chpamn-smith were in leg braces And looked pretty bad. Fingers crossed for both who have had terrible bad luck with injuries.
The U19's really stood up, Holroyd is developing rapidly and pressing for first team. He is not built as athletically as oledZki but is a natural RL player. He puts loads in, got sent off late on for throwing a punch after a high shot.
He then warmed up as 18th man with the first team. Had one of them gone down in the warm up, he would then have had to play again, I'm no sports scientist but that seemed a weird prospect.
Thought All the pack did well, the 2 who stood a bit higher for me were McConell who played the full 80 I think and kept going and going. Not the biggest but can play and very good temperament (as you know Seth).
The other one was Darley, more athletic, looks a tough kid and reminds me a bit of singleton. Again kept going.
Although we are suffering at prop in first team now, I would be signing back row men and be looking to bring through a crop of these. In the end the u19's did to Catalan what the Catalan first team pack did to Leeds.
Burrow looked a happy man.
Agree with Rhino Mark, get a new technical coach in, bring these through and improve the brand of football.
In addition to results, there is an extra pressure coming for McD. By next year there will be a top class new ground and a ton of corporate stuff to shift and a desire to fill the ground. That happens a lot easier with a Cas / Saints footballing product. If we are playing dead rubbers in August and September and crowds shrink that could be the tipping point.
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Sadly, both Sutcliffe and chpamn-smith were in leg braces And looked pretty bad. Fingers crossed for both who have had terrible bad luck with injuries.
The U19's really stood up, Holroyd is developing rapidly and pressing for first team. He is not built as athletically as oledZki but is a natural RL player. He puts loads in, got sent off late on for throwing a punch after a high shot.
He then warmed up as 18th man with the first team. Had one of them gone down in the warm up, he would then have had to play again, I'm no sports scientist but that seemed a weird prospect.
Thought All the pack did well, the 2 who stood a bit higher for me were McConell who played the full 80 I think and kept going and going. Not the biggest but can play and very good temperament (as you know Seth).
The other one was Darley, more athletic, looks a tough kid and reminds me a bit of singleton. Again kept going.
Although we are suffering at prop in first team now, I would be signing back row men and be looking to bring through a crop of these. In the end the u19's did to Catalan what the Catalan first team pack did to Leeds.
Burrow looked a happy man.
Agree with Rhino Mark, get a new technical coach in, bring these through and improve the brand of football.
In addition to results, there is an extra pressure coming for McD. By next year there will be a top class new ground and a ton of corporate stuff to shift and a desire to fill the ground. That happens a lot easier with a Cas / Saints footballing product. If we are playing dead rubbers in August and September and crowds shrink that could be the tipping point.'"
Good summary. Darleys an interesting one. In his 3rd year now and been under the radar compared to his peers. By all accounts he's a natural leader through his actions, loves training, bit of a machine when its gym time, turning himself into a good forward and starting to get some recognition. Be interesting to see what happens with him for nxt season.
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| Sounds like someokne who would benefit from a proper reserve grade competition. Maturing a bit later but showing potential
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| Agree with you both above. Particularly at prop there are advantages to developing more slowly and a bit later. I'd offer Darley a contract, he looks like he could keep improving. Both him and McConnell carried themselves like pro's. Johnson also is playing old man football (in a good way).
The kid Catalan had at 7, don't know his name could be a world beater.
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Agree with you both above. Particularly at prop there are advantages to developing more slowly and a bit later. I'd offer Darley a contract, he looks like he could keep improving. Both him and McConnell carried themselves like pro's. Johnson also is playing old man football (in a good way).
The kid Catalan had at 7, don't know his name could be a world beater.'"
Heard today that catalan are doing away with there 19's and a lot of them are heading to Toulouse, not sure if its true or not, anybody heard anything? Id certainly take there 7 here, he looked very good.
Id offer darley a contract aswel and let him have a season on loan at hunslet and see how he develops.
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Agree with you both above. Particularly at prop there are advantages to developing more slowly and a bit later. I'd offer Darley a contract, he looks like he could keep improving. Both him and McConnell carried themselves like pro's. Johnson also is playing old man football (in a good way).
The kid Catalan had at 7, don't know his name could be a world beater.'"
Arthur Morgues, he was the France u/18 star of the test series v England Academy last year.
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Sadly, both Sutcliffe and chpamn-smith were in leg braces And looked pretty bad. Fingers crossed for both who have had terrible bad luck with injuries.
The U19's really stood up, Holroyd is developing rapidly and pressing for first team. He is not built as athletically as oledZki but is a natural RL player. He puts loads in, got sent off late on for throwing a punch after a high shot.
He then warmed up as 18th man with the first team. Had one of them gone down in the warm up, he would then have had to play again, I'm no sports scientist but that seemed a weird prospect.
Thought All the pack did well, the 2 who stood a bit higher for me were McConell who played the full 80 I think and kept going and going. Not the biggest but can play and very good temperament (as you know Seth).
The other one was Darley, more athletic, looks a tough kid and reminds me a bit of singleton. Again kept going.
Although we are suffering at prop in first team now, I would be signing back row men and be looking to bring through a crop of these. In the end the u19's did to Catalan what the Catalan first team pack did to Leeds.
Burrow looked a happy man.
Agree with Rhino Mark, get a new technical coach in, bring these through and improve the brand of football.
In addition to results, there is an extra pressure coming for McD. By next year there will be a top class new ground and a ton of corporate stuff to shift and a desire to fill the ground. That happens a lot easier with a Cas / Saints footballing product. If we are playing dead rubbers in August and September and crowds shrink that could be the tipping point.'"
Loui could well have been a GB BMXer right now with the offer he had in that sport, I’m glad he did choose to stay with us as he was a terrific lad to coach, as you say, a very even temperament and also a very deceptive engine. If given the opportunity to play a little wider he’s some lovely soft skills, would have liked to see him forge a lasting link up with his junior half back team mate as they were telepathic. As an aside, I’m glad Burrow is looking after this side and not Morley.
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| Quote ="Seth"Loui could well have been a GB BMXer right now with the offer he had in that sport, I’m glad he did choose to stay with us as he was a terrific lad to coach, as you say, a very even temperament and also a very deceptive engine. If given the opportunity to play a little wider he’s some lovely soft skills, would have liked to see him forge a lasting link up with his junior half back team mate as they were telepathic. As an aside, I’m glad Burrow is looking after this side and not Morley.'"
You talking about Harrison Seth? Blew that one himself though, no patience. But would have been a good link up, I agree.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You talking about Harrison Seth? Blew that one himself though, no patience. But would have been a good link up, I agree.'"
There’ll be some regrets of course though I feel for him the way they handled him last season. You know what it’s like, there’s always 2 versions. In part why I also think the team is far better off with Burrow and not Morley.
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| Quote ="Seth"There’ll be some regrets of course though I feel for him the way they handled him last season. You know what it’s like, there’s always 2 versions. In part why I also think the team is far better off with Burrow and not Morley.'"
Your right, and I always thought he was destined for good things. But, and I mean no disrespect, but from what I have heard, his parents haven’t helped his cause. Obviously as you say, two sides, and the handling playing a part in that.
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| I’d love to complete that picture for you having been there every step, but not on here. Anyway, I hope to see him playing and enjoying the game again soon either amateur or otherwise as I’ve never coached a player so committed to bettering his game, he lived and breathed the game.
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| Very good win for the 19's tonight, 38 - 6 over a pretty good Huddersfield team, we played over half the game with 12 men after dupree was sent off. Good response to last weeks dissapointing deafeat to hull.
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| Played well tonight the 19s. Some great tries late on after they had worn Hudds down.
Pack did a great job tonight.
Worrying thing for me was seeing Corey Johnson in halves again. Please please please lets not go down road of making him a utility player. This kid has it all to be an outstanding number 9 which has been a problem position for us so lets keep him there and let him develop as he has been coming on a treat. I know he played in halves cos Harvey Whiteley is back from injury but Corey is different gravy to Harvey and should be at 9.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Played well tonight the 19s. Some great tries late on after they had worn Hudds down.
Pack did a great job tonight.
Worrying thing for me was seeing Corey Johnson in halves again. Please please please lets not go down road of making him a utility player. This kid has it all to be an outstanding number 9 which has been a problem position for us so lets keep him there and let him develop as he has been coming on a treat. I know he played in halves cos Harvey Whiteley is back from injury but Corey is different gravy to Harvey and should be at 9.'"
Whilst I agree Marty, as stated before he is a damn good half, and that was his position played for years before joining Leeds.
However, I think the main reason played there, is there is no one else. Scrimshaw is awful and should never have been signed up to 19’s. Corey is s much better all round hooker than Harvey though.
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| Not saying hes a bad half and thought he showed some nice touches but he needs to stay at 9 for me. Dont tinker with him. Let him develop in role he has a chance to make grade at.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Not saying hes a bad half and thought he showed some nice touches but he needs to stay at 9 for me. Dont tinker with him. Let him develop in role he has a chance to make grade at.'"
Again agreed, but the mistake was made in how they promoted on the halfs, and of course they probably didn't forsee an issue with Harrison Scott who was a damn good half, as discussed with Seth further up.
Chapman Smith has played a lot in the halfs, when he isn't injured, because of this shortfall, but of course he is injured again. They need the two from the under 16's promoting and them taking the job on going forward.
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