How is his form for Hunslet?

If he isn't standing out at Championship level then i guess it stands to reason why he hasn't recieved a call up yet.I dont watch Hunslet but i know he has started alot of games this year and has had ample chance to prove a point to the Leeds coaching team,if the lad is performing to a good level each week and doing this then as you say its a strange one.

I tend to agree.

McShane has had enough game time to prove his worth which IMO is nothing more than average. He has done some good work without ever claiming the position as his own. His defence is suspect, he is a bit greedy, he drops out of parts of the game (even when he is on the field) and in recent games with many youngsters in the side when we have needed players to step up to the mark he has been disappointing. He doesn't look sharp or fit to me and I wonder how well he trains. He may be a 'proper hooker' but not good enough as first choice so far.

Sending him to Hunslet maybe the kick up the backside he needs, so it will be interesting to see how he reacts.

I think Sinny will drop into the hooking role for a spell, just to give Burrow the freedom he needs to do his stuff.

If BMcD keeps Wee Rob out as an 80 minute hooker, he'll need his bumps feeling.

From the article on the Leeds site it seems like Duckworth will be playing which I think would leave Minns and Keinhorst missing out. A close call between Keinhorst and Foster as both can cover in the forwards and backs. Not seen a lot of the recent games so going on what I've read on here Foster seems to be impressing more.

imo mcshane is not good enough to be our starting hooker,i would release him without a doubt and target a quality hooker from outside of our club if one was available of the quality of lunt or clark
failing that i would even move sinny to hooker as i believe this could be his next positional move and one that would also enable the transition of sutcliffe to starting 6 and ward to starting 13

Unfortunately for Mcshane he does not fit in the mould of the modern hooker, or at least the super league hooker. His distribution and skill is very high, but athletic ability some what lacking. Unless you can do 30+ tackles and 10-15 high yardage scoots see Roby, Clarke, higham mcclorum etr your deemed not good enough. Hope Mcshane moves on as I believe he is a fine player just 20 years out of date.

Why are we talking about Wakefield v Leeds in the Leeds v Wakefield thread?

Poor by McDermott and I believe McShane will look to move this winter now. McShane is the best hooker at the club but continues to get dropped when players return from injury. I like McShane he is a very clever player, with a full range of skills and gets the players going forwards, just a shame the coach has never showed any confidence in him.

I also hear Hardaker is playing centre this week too.

Sadly he is not the only one JJB and Kirke have both been very average to abysmal at times but neither have been treated like McShane? He was awful on Friday so McDermott has a point - things have to be seen to be equitable or else people will lose respect for the manager's judgement.

Would agree re: foster in the pack, thats his position vice versa at for Keinhorst, much better than foster there. Odd to drop Keinhorst from the team, when he has been kept in the pack, now with a spot at he goes back to Hunslet.....

Agree with all of that.

He is the best recognised hooker at the club, i won't dispute that. But I don't think you can say the coach hasn't shown confidence in him - he's played most games this season. His form has hardly warranted it either. How you can say it's 'poor by McDermott' is baffling.

I don't think he's good enough to be our number 9 and so if he does move on, I'd hope to see us sign someone for next season.



I appreciate that - but I think it also comes down to how the players behave in the week and their attitude. I'm purely playing devil's advocate here, but if McShane is clashing with McDermott in the week, whilst Kirke and JJB are working hard, then that is obviously going to affect the choice to drop him.

You'd convince me of moving Sinfield to hooker if you promised me he would defend down the middle where he's more suited defending.

Talking of more suited, you could even try him at Loose Forward......

You make them sound like children.



I don't buy into something we'll never know about.

What we do know is that Mac and Macca have worked together for a few years now. If there was a 'rub' you think there would have already been a parting. Instead we can work on facts and Mac retained the '9' shirt again.

Macca similar to Clarkson get dropped very readily when other players are available to play instead. In some of the droppings they are puzzling as neither have been worst performers in some of these games. Maybe some players are ok to be dropped and maybe some aren't.

True, and that was kind of why I suggested perhaps it has something to do with what their doing in the week.

But I don't know.. i'll stop speculating!

Foster is better than Keinhorst in any position, end of.

So Bish at fullback, Zak in the centre inside Duckworth and Sinny at hooker tonight then?

Sinny off the bench for me.

For what benefit?

His thumb must be fine, so throw him back in.

Correct and we may need the spot kicks as Hardaker 'can't kick for toffee'

Agreed - play him from the start or don't at all. He isn't an impact sub.

Burrow jumped to the rescue last week.

2/3 touchliners IIRC. (was a relief, you could tell Zak was frustrated with not landing them. Leaves him open to concentrate on his game)

Minns instead of Duckworth IMO

Do we have Foster tied up for some years? Keinhorst got 2 years left of his contract, so maybe playing with Hunslet for a while if Academy players coming through are seen to be better. Personally I think he needs time at an SL team to further develop if he can't make Leeds' starting 17 - proved he's plenty above Hunslet's level.

Agree.....but as starting hooker for gawd's sake. If - as seems likely - both McShane and Hood will be gone after this season then Sinfield is the best remaining option IMO.