the persons responsible for awarding these rugby league accolades can take their individual awards and shove them up their agenda driven persons' ar5e5

the rhinos surely will take these team awards that really matter over those individual ones i'm sure although if sinny never wins a m.o.s award or even gets a nomination?

I don't think theres any agenda, I just think we have so many specials players in the team, and we are such a [iteam[/i individuals have never stood out in the same way others have in poorer teams.

Put brett hogdson in this leeds from 2009 and theres no way he wins MoS IMO.

Hate to put a dampener on things but I think the lack of players in the Dream Team is more down to our poor year than any agenda. Hall should have been in for me & JJB had half a chance. Sinfield had no chase at 6 and the same with Buderus at 9.

As for previous MOS - in 2004 I'd have given it to Vainikolo, 2007 - Barrett, 2008 & 9 - Graham, 2011 - Roby. The only one who had a chance for me in those years was McGuire in '04.

Rather than showing an anti-Leeds bias I think it shows how many different people have contributed to our success over the years. Our TEAM always really comes to the fore

I would just really like to know what Kevin Sinfield has to do to be recognised. Captained his team to five grand final wins and nothing. That's just not right to me.

How do you want him to be recognised?

The only year he was close to MOS form was 2005 and even then he wasn't an obvious choice by any means. I'm sure he has notched up a few Dream Team selections for what it's worth.

The man is a living legend in a Leeds shirt, has shown glimpses of his talent in international RL but is far from the best player in the competition. I'm sure he's happy with his 5 winners rings. I bet Rangi Chase would swap accolades with him

4 - 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009

Dream Team Number 82 and all in the loose forward position.

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Most Dream Team selections with 8 is ?

Never really thought about it like this but I think you could be right. The MoS is usually awarded to the player that has stood out in at team. Perfect example is this years winner - Chase has been by far the best player in the his team this year and has stood out by a country mile.

When everyone is playing to the same standard, which the Leeds players seem to have been doing all season then no single player has stood head and shoulders above the rest.

Great post!

I must admit though that a team who has won 5 of the last 8 super leagues its a joke we haven't won more individual awards but I've always seen the Rhinos as a team, no one seems to stand out!

Super League era? Did it start in 1996?

Peacock?
Senior?
Sculthorpe?
Farrell?

I imagine the latter pair beat each other meaning not that many in total

The second part of your post explains why it's not a joke!

As I explained above, if there were better individual players it is not a joke that a Leeds player didn't win man of steel

That may be, but TS didn't even scoop coach of the year in 2004! Don't know what else he could have done that year to earn that award.

The players you've mentioned are all credible winners, but as someone has said Sinfield rarely seems to even get a mention.

I'll give you Tony Smith. I don't think our coach was the best coach in any other year - at least not when the awards were given out.

Sinfield shouldn't get that many mentions as MOS - he has rarely been Leeds' "best" player. 2005 was the nearest he came IMO

for leeds rhinos -Kevin Sinfield 2000-2011 other clubs dislike jealousy ,Read Lewis Jones Leeds rlfc 1952-1964 nothing changes .They all hate Leeds ,They all hate Leeds and I do mean them all.

Sinfield wouldn't want an individual award. He believes in the power of the workers' collective.

Peacock?

The awards are handed before the real heros step forward. Personally I think that there were very few dream team candidates from Leeds, but I could imagine a situation where player A and player B are pretty close, but then player A wins it due to a massive performance in the play offs

That's pretty remarkable isn't it when you put it like that.

Was McGuire even Leeds best player in 2004? He scored the most tries but I think Matt Diskin would've been a more worthy winner

No biggie for mine, we may not have the best individuals but we have the best team.

What's the point of the "Team of the Year" award? I've never understood that. Isn't the team of the year just the team that wins it? Also, how can they vote for "Team of the Year" before they know the Champions?

For example, I'd suggest that reaching the Challenge Cup Final then going on to win the title from 5th would probably be enough to be crowned "Team of the Year", but at the time of the awards nobody would know we'd done that.

Sssshhhh...I'll be worried as f*** next year if we get to another GF and one of the lads has picked up an award. It'd be the equivalent of washing my lucky thong.

I would happily have no individual honours as long as the team play as they have and keep churning out the titles!!

Yes the Dream Team is specific to the SL Era. 16 years so 208 positions in total to fill.


8 - Jamie Peacock

7 - Andy Farrell, Keiron Cunningham

5 - Jason Robinson, Keith Senior, Kris Radlinski

4 - Adrian Morley, Gareth Ellis, Gary Connolly, Kevin Sinfield, Paul Sculthorpe, Paul Wellens, Terry O'Connor

3 - Adrian Lam, Anthony Sullivan, Ben Westwood, James Graham, James Roby,
Rob Burrow, Sam Tomkins, Stuart Fielden

2 - Ali Lauitiiti, Danny McGuire, Darren Albert, George Carmont, Iestyn Harris, James Lowes, Jamie Lyon, Kirk Yeaman, Lesley Vainikolo, Martin Gleeson, Matt Gidley, Michael Dobson, Paul Newlove, Peter Gill, Ryan Hall, Scott Donald, Sean Long, Sean O'Loughlin, Steve Renouf, Tevita Vaikona

1 - A long, long list that I won't bore you all with.

By Team:

51 - Wigan
45 - St Helens
38 - Leeds
19 - Bradford
12 - Warrington
8 - Castleford, Hull
5 - Les Catalans, Hull KR
4 - London, Wakefield
3 - Huddersfield
2 - Gateshead, Sheffield
1 - Halifax, Salford

Wigan at the top is stunning, considering they have only been champions twice in 16 seasons. And only topped the table 3 times

Not so stunning when you consider the media bias towards Wigan, that has always been there.