The poster put forward why McD would not be sacked before the end of the season. I put forward 2 scenarios which would result in McD's sacking before the end of the season.
I do not disagree with your assessment of the players you named but if the players are not with a coach then he is gone.

Don't disagree the manager has to shoulder some blame for his poor selection , and apparent lack of skills in the coaching motivating area, but far too many players are not performing.

As for your comment on burrow he is the best sideways runner in our team,

And without the Burrow side run we wouldn't have the motivation for the Peacock up and under - our only unpredictable tactic

I bet he goes if we lose our next two games (Wigan and Catalans, both away) and go 7th or maybe even 8th, which is entirely possible.

It seems to be a matter of when, not if, IMO.

agreed it cant be allowed to continue,we know the team is better than this

agreed it cant be allowed to continue,we know the team is better than this

With Castleford playing Catalans tonight, we will go 6th after that game regardless of the result, and Hull can get within 2 points of us by beating Wakefield tomorrow which you would expect of them. We then go to Wigan next week which you would expect is a fruitless task for us, whilst Cas play Wire and Catalans should beat the Bulls. Hull have Saints next week which frankly could go either way.

Then the week after is the cup at Hull. For BMD to keep his job even in the short term, he has to win one of the next two SL games and the Cup match, or I think he will be shown the door along with his monkey.

Wigan could put 60+ on us if both they & Leeds play as they have this weekend. That could be enough for a change to made before the CC game, which I suppose is now GH's priority this season.

It is entirely possible for Wigan to really embarrass us.

well we gave it them,what goes round comes around

Yes true, can't win them all

if he does get sacked it will be at the time when GH can make the most out of it, another good thing about having a cheap option coach is that you can blame him for a lack of good recruitment and squad management

You may have a point. I seem to recall comments you made about McGuire taking his bat home if Powell and then Smith were to remain as coach. Has Danny had enough of this one as well?

You have been reading too many conspiracy books

Macdumbnut should have been out of the door already but that would mean GH having to admit he was wrong,i reckon we are stuck with this plank for this season and next season.

I have been worried that he will be here next year but just putting it down to my naturally pessimistic nature.

It could be that yes, the players are unhappy with BMD and want him out. The problem is, we haven't won the CC with this squad, and if they keep on going the way they are, we never will. Do they keep playing badly in the league and hope to turn things round in the CC? Even if they want BMD out (or just can't be bothered in the league), there are a number of players for whom time to win a CC is running out. It will certainly be interesting to see if a 'different' Leeds turn up for the cup games.

In response to the OP it maybe that BMD won't get sacked because the decline of the Leeds team isn't his fault. He's inherited an ageing pack plus your best two backs of the last generation, Senior and Maguire are injured and Keith's case past it. The decisions to change the entire coaching staff from the most successful period in the club's history in one off season was baffling. Some of the decisions on recruitment and retention, an area where GH was once so sure-footed, have been questionable.

In brief BMD may not be a great coach but he has inherited a squad with huge structural problems in terms of age and mileage. He has had to start from scratch with basically no senior backroom from the previous admin. The fall outs with Diskin (an old fashioned loiner who'd never give in) and Burgess and the summary dismissal of Cross are eyebrow raising at the least. Having made the decisions he has made I'd say it is now extremely difficult for GH to go to the board and say 'I've made a mistake, Brian's the wrong man'. When these type of discussions occur what normally happens is that the CE blames the current predicament on the people who've now left and that what's required is a 'clean up' by the new team who will take time to sort out the mess made by the last lot.

To sack a coach who he actively headhunted without one single off season to shape his squad or respond to the hand fate has dealt him would look a lot worse on GH than it would BMD who could reasonably claim to have been given a Jimmy Armfield sized poison chalice. McDermot will start 2012 as Leeds Rhinos head coach.

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with this. McDermott will probably still be in position next year.

Whereas what actually happened was Brian McDermott was brought into replace Francis Cummins as Brian McClennan's assistant for a year before taking the head coaches' reigns on. That intended transition was scuppered when McClennan (understandably in my view) didn't fancy that level of undermining and cut short his stay at Leeds.

There is the wider point that Leeds were also looking for replacements for Willie Poching and Aleks Gross at the same time in a complete overhaul of the immediate support coaching staff.

Sorry I didn't mean changing the whole coaching team was the plan but rather a series of inter-connected events/decisions combined to effect such a change. It wasn't a sequence that demonstrated GH's sureness of touch that had hitherto been his hallmark was the point I was making.

GH [iis[/i the board, at least when it comes to football matters. Having to pay McDermott out of his contract would probably be more upsetting for him if it came to it, which it probably won't.

Anyone know how long BMcD's contract is?

Some people seriously need to get their heads out of the sand and stop hero-worshipping the current squad on the basis of past glories.

It's finished. Done. Washed up. Many of its members have no gas left in the tank and no desire to go that extra yard in search of glory.

Rather than lumbering another coach with the same shower of apathy, the best thing the club can do is bite the bullet, accept a couple of lean years and look to bring on the next generation, complemented with a couple of experienced signings.

The likes of Webb, Senior, Burrow, Peacock, Buderus, Bailey and Lauitiiti should be very graciously thanked for their service but advised that it is no longer required IMO.

But do you think we have the right man at the helm to bring along that next generation Andy?

Looking at how he's handled Burgess, Clarkson and now Hardaker I am not so sure.

His influence didn't seem to harm the careers of McCarthy-Scarsbrook and Clubb at Quins, who both achieved international recognition under his coaching.

I think it would be a shame for him not to get the opportunity of doing the job he was brought to the club initially to do, which was manage that transition from a successful but ageing squad into the new generation.