Then please explain to me how Hull as a club have any control over any person who attends, what (drunken) state those people are in. Where those people stand, how they act, the match stewarding or the match policing.

What's more how do you expect Hull to take action over the said event??? Did a Leeds steward or police officer apprehend or take the 's name???

How exactly are Hull RLFC responsible???

This is a fan of Hull FC, This person has attacked an opposition fan, yet according to you this is Leeds fault




Your club should be banning these individuals, if Salford can do it to their fans why cant Hull FC?

I think you'll find thats exactly what he said



And if you're suggesting that Hull are responsible for the behaviour of their own fans when they play an away game then you're wrong, the behaviour of supporters within a ground is the responsibility of the home club and in that respect the RFL let themselves off rather lightly after the McAlpine semi final incident, after all, its was the RFL that was responsible for picking the venue and organising the game and the security (what security ???), luckily Hull accepted their scapegoat status probably after acknowledging that they hadn't done too much in the past to prevent the ethos of abusing opposition supporters at The Boulevard.

Strictly speaking it is Leeds' fault.

Quick point, as I mentioned before Salford banning two fans after incidents after an away game, why can't Hull do that?

Hull did after the McAlpine incident and as far as I can recall they also did after the FC/KR derby "Let me shoe him Barry" incident of a couple of seasons ago.

If anyone identified the culprit who broke the supporters jaw at Headingley and it resulted in a conviction then I'd expect that FC would remove that persons attendance priviledges too (assuming they are a pass holder - they call them season passes over yonder don't they ?)

Its a bit hard to do anything when you have no responsibility for security or cctv in or out of an away ground though

If they were identified then Hull would act I'm sure

I sat near the 'fans' that was giving it loads to all your supporters, to be honest they was as bad as each other...To all them moaning about the constant abuse from the FC end and saying it's always been like that, simple question, why sit so close to them then? Its not as if you fill the allocation any how, simply move more central or sit at the other end. Theres been no trouble reported outside the ground it all stems from inside... Im sure when we or any other team comes to your ground I know full well we don't get waves or thumbs up all game. So to them moaners, move seats, and to those blinkered fans who see no wrong from your supporters, my friend works at the K.C stadium and he and a fellow worker had to fix 9 seats at the top of the north stand in time for the City Villa game and had to do minor repair to the aluminium sign that alot of away supporters bang on but like we all say, we all get them kind of 'fans'. Get over it!

It basically comes down to the turnstiles that the Hull club usher the away fans in through. When you walk into the ground, they're the first seats you come to, and naturally most people will settle on the first place they see rather than walk down the other end of the stand. You could call that laziness but to be honest it's human nature, especially for latecomers. Simple as it sounds, part of the problem would be eased if you changed the turnstile entry to the other end of the stand. (The other turnstiles were actually open on Saturday but the turnstiles on the tickets were at the East End of the stand.)

Whilst I agree with every bit of what you say regarding the mindless idiots being banned, and that any reaction is not condonable, I have to disagree with what you say above. Don't even try to take the moral high ground when the fact is the first two missiles were thrown by your fans, the first towards The Hull Players and the second from The North Stand into Chav corner.

As for some of the other posters on here, wind your necks in, the majority of ALL RL clubs are decent people, yet you like to tar us Hull fans with the same brush as the minority.

If you don't like coming to Hull, then don't bother, however sort out your own trouble causers. There were no real incidents until the bottle was thrown into The East Stand by them.

Rant over - good luck for the rest of the season and in the cup!

If a dog was to sh[size=100i[/sizet on your kitchen floor would you clean it up or simply walk round it and pretend it wasn't there?

So you agree with me but accuse me of taking the moral high ground? Don't get so defensive about it. I think most people agree that it's a minority at both clubs and nobody wants them around. They're just not that hard to spot at the KC are they?

You see, your post is reasonable in places but then you make yourself into exactly one of the people you are are telling to 'wind their kneck in' by saying, yeh right both side have idiots (true), but you started it!

Grow up, read the more sensible posts on here, like mine, how can you say the first bottle was thrown by the Leeds fans for certain? I am not saying it is not true and your comment about a bottle or pint of larger being thrown on to the pitch prior to the trouble in the corner is clearly true, but that person was quite far away from the idiots in the corner of the East Stand.

My original post talks purely about the fact that the club have allowed a small group of idiots to sit in this corner and they are clearly sat there for a reason correct? And it is not to watch the Rugby!

All clubs have problems and idiots and I have already said in a PM to one of your fans that I don't believe for one second that, in crowd percentage terms, Hull FC does not have any more or less idiots than any other SL clubs! BUT they are currently allowing their idiots to gather together in one part of the ground with the clear intention of getting warped self gratification by winding up opposition fans and causing trouble.

That is the problem here and at the moment Hull FC is the only club in SL that currently has that problem and they should sort it out!

Spot on.

IA,has it on one.The dross in that corner have a disproportionate effect on the perception that visiting fans have of HULL and HULL FC.They have been allowed to be there for some seasons with no apparent effective counteraction from either stadium or club.
THEY generate comment that POTENTIAL visiting fans hear about and as a result choose NOT to go through YOUR turnstiles.If the moral(LOL) highground is more important than resolving a problem and proving that HULL and HULL FC is a place worth visiting then by all means DONT make changes,keep pointing the finger at visiting fans and other grounds.BUT please realise that compounds peoples image of HULL and HULL FC.
If you prefer to take this as a anti hull rant then clearly you havent read any other PRO active HULL comments i have made.

Loz, thing is I haven't been going to Leeds games as much lately but Leeds have inherited alot more 'tts' in the last few seasons.

People are quick on here to say how they want people banned, but I can recall a fair few actions that could have got yourself banned over the years. If super league clubs were as quick banning people from watching rugby league as some of the users on here would like, then you would have at least got a warning from a fair few super league clubs over the years.

Once at hull a fair few years ago, a handful of people on here once saw you attempt to get close to that corner and then give them the V sign (when there was sufficient segregation in the form of stewards/police). If the club had seen that, and had banned you for a decade for going to any rugby league game, you would have been gutted. People do make mistakes and try and 'blend in the crowd', and I think you are/were guilty of that.

As people have said on the thread, take the barrier away and most people will be behave fine then you can just ban and kick the minority out that don't adhere to the rules.

Stick the Hull 'fans' in the other corner at the KC, as I suspect then others individuals won't try and impress there mates and then if they don't enjoy coming to rugby because they can't goad anyone, well they will be gone then in no time.

Hull need to make the closest 2/3 blocks to the away end reserved - to be honest I can't believe they've not done it already! It's been the same since we moved to the KC, and I find it quite embarrassing.

Oh dear! You missed the point by a mile!!!

Infront then?

No, he hasn't missed the point. You have. In fact that is the point of the entire thread. Avoid the problem or do something about it? Simple question.

For what its worth, I agree entirely with those who suggest that our chav element should be moved away from the away fans. Although I'm not sure how you achieve that, give them a chav badge of some sort?

However some of the responses on here are way over the top. Lets not forget that the problems were indeed started not by a Hull fan, but by a Leeds fan who threw (and yes, I did see it) a bottle at one of our players - for which I believe he was rightfully ejected from the ground. That proceeded to idiots from our club throwing empty bottles into the Leeds supporters and two bottles (that I saw) been thrown back at Hull fans. There were apparently the odd scuffle outside the ground as well between the two sets of fans. So, in a nutshell a bunch of numskulls from Hull and Leeds decided to play the big I am act - visit any town in the country after 8pm for further case studies.

The entire trouble probably actively involved less than a couple of dozen people from either side who had most likely had to much beer in them. There has been countless incidents in the past on par with these, including this season.

So, I agree, we need to do something about chav corner. If Hull FC get a fine for inadequate stewarding, then so be it. We need to get rid of our minority of problem fans. We need to reconise that Hull FC are still the most pro-active club in the league at dealing with crowd problems and have been since the days of the fan charter, some people need to stop using blanket language and statement and keep things in perspective. Generalism against Hull FC fans is just another form of prejudice.

Lets get on with the rugby, I love coming to Leeds, I've seen trouble there in the past, but its a great place to come were I wouldn't hesitate to bring family to sample the atmosphere of match day.

how can hull be the most pro active club when they have the same problem in the same area of the grond with the same group of people. a hull fan tells me they are always there. how hard is it to identify them and ban them?

How? And have a think about your answer before replying.

How do you label a bunch of people and move them?

Firstly, why not visit the Hull FC and see the pro-active measures for your self and then try and find the same ones at other clubs.

Secondly, same question to you as the other guy or girl. How?

Firstly, what consitutes been a trouble causer? Chanting horrible chants at opposition fans? Because there is a lot of Leeds fans chanting you are "the scum of rugby league" that should probably be moved on mass as well in that case.

Are you sure you saw it?

The reason I ask is because it was a glass, not a bottle which I know is still uncalled for and something I dont want associating with leeds, BUT make sure that you get it right if you reckon you saw it.