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From GH's point of view there probably is a bit of 'he needs a win' in terms of this issue pans out but I still think it's the right thing to do to get a fee. No reason to just let him go for free and his public statement today reminds me of last year with Ferres, we knew he wanted to come here and we let Hudds know we weren't going to be fussed if they played hardball. This year let Cronulla know they have to cough up something even if it's in the region of £50-100k.

Can't understand why anyone thinks that Hetherington's stance on Segeyaro is wrong. We had a class player in a key position who committed himself to the club. All of a sudden, Segeyaro gets his head turned by Cronulla then makes up a pile of rubbish to try get away from the club. GH has the opportunity to fire a warning shot to any player who thinks that their contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Hold his registration for 2 years and forget about him.

Agreed. I'm with you 100%. I hope GH makes him sit down for at least a season.

Exactly, I would understand if there was some change in circumstance that made him change his mind, but it seems like he spent his time down under feeling out whether any NRL club would want, which is especially disrespectful given we gave him extra time off to supposedly spend with his family, which he actually spent with Wade Graham and his agent.

At the very least I would expect us to get back whatever we have paid for parcell, as that is a clearly provable loss of funds as a direct result of Segeyaro breaking contract. We should have paid a massive fee for Clarke and used the same argument.

Much like Cas with Solomona, we need to remain firm, luckily for us the NRL (unlike the RFU) care about the integrity of sporting contracts.

Either contracts are worth something or they aren't, Rhinos have a demonstrable loss so they should sue. It's business not the playground and there are consequences to actions and only getting the naughty step isn't one of them!

Spot on especially the first sentence. The person leading the way in saying it's wrong of GH is a poster who thinks GH does everything wrong and so should be taken with that in mind.

If Leeds were the club a player was holding out hoping to join and we were waiting around for him to be released and thus hoping to not have to pay any fee then he'd be the first to say how wrong it was of the Leeds club to not offer any money for a talented player.

Hopefully a compromise deal can be reached that suits all parties.

It would be fair enough if Segeyaro just told the truth. The fact is he didn't live alone "staring at four walls" he lived with Delaney. He signed a new deal. No way was he homesick. He goes back to Oz to be with his family, yet ends up living with Wade Graham and his agent. If he'd just admitted that Cronulla wanted him, and he wanted to go, then fair enough. It's the cock and bull story that annoys me.

This isn't about Segeyaro or Solomona or any other individual, no matter what their reasons or motives are. It's about the value and meaning of a CONTRACT. I can't help thinking what an uproar there would be if Leeds or Castleford or any other club suddenly decided that they no longer wanted a player and simply ended his employment without compensation...

Spot on mate.

Leeds have a history here with Ryan Sheridan, Andy Hay, Karl Pratt and Darren Fleary when Powell took over. I'm not sure whether they received any compensation, but IIRC all had long term deals at the club at the time.

I don't think GH does everything wrong but unlike some I don't think he can walk unaided on the surface of the River Aire either.

This isn't doing Leeds any good - Nobody is going to pay much for this player if anything at all so it a futile exercise - more about GH trying to deflect away attention from how he has ended up in this position in first place. Perhaps if those backing GH's stance addressed that issue then we might be to have a sensible debate as to the rights/wrongs of this.

Didn't a similar thing happen with Greg Eastwood,Toni Carroll and Danny Buderus i.e they signed longer contracts than they actually served didn't see the "a contract is a contract' in anything like the degree we are seeing here. Not seeing out a contract is a risk you take when you sign players from the NRL compare Warrington's approach to Sandow to that of GH so much more grown up.

If you don't want the issues of NRL players then produce your own - that an issue for another topic

This is not about Hetherington as many have pointed out its about abuse of contract and not allowing it to happen. Anyway, we all know Segeyaro will get his wish in the end and imo it won't hurt Leeds to just let it drift for a bit and say waiting for a fee, we hold the moral high ground on this issue as we hold the piece of paper with JS's signature next to 2 years in Leeds.

The point with this is we have now paid a transfer fee to replace a player who has broken a contract and this is costing the club money, ( as our replacement was CONTRACTED to another club ) so why shouldn't we also benefit from the supposed security of a contract.

With regards to:

Greg Eastwood as far as I recall he stated he was homesick while still playing for Leeds and asked to leave at the end of the season.
Danny Buderus asked to be released from the last year of his contract as he wanted to play his final season with Newcastle ( His Club)
Toni Carroll Wanted to go back to Aus as England based players were not going to be chosen for state of Origin games, again requested while here not sure if also smashing shoulder into barrier at the 'NEW' JJB stadium had a influence on that.

The player that would have set the precedence for this case would have been Craig Innes, but this was during the superleage war and he walked out on us before the Semi Final against Bradford
( I think ).

With regards to Warrington and Sandow, Warrington are holding his registration and therefore if he plays in the next 12 months they will receive a transfer fee exactly the same stance as GH.

We ended up in this position as a player signed a contract with us when they were no other offers out there and soon as there was strong possibility of a better one he has tried to do the dirty.

Keep the red flag flying

If anybody is prepared to pay a fee for him all well and good - that doesn't seem likely at this point. So just holding out for nothing seems futile to me but if it makes GH feel like more a man good for him. If Leeds have paid a fee for a reserve grade NRL hooker it shows how desperate Leeds are - I doubt Cronulla are equally desperate.

Eastwood did what Segeyaro has done - Canterbury came knocking and he suddenly has home sickness. Wayne Bennett goes to Newcastle and all of a sudden Buderus wants to has his last season at Newcastle. Leeds didn't stand in their way so why be so stubborn in this case and neither did they get a fee or a player exchange for two players who it could be argued were as important to Leeds as Segeyaro.

As has been pointed out, Wolves still hold Sandow's registration.

Plus, the lack of any serious cries of indignation from Warrington reflects more on the fact that he had become a bit part player for their team (& they are probably glad to free up some large cap space), as opposed to Segeyaro, who most would say was crucial to our 2017 & 2018 plans, until he reneged on his deal.



Not true. He wasn't reserve grade whilst playing for Manly in 2016 - 15 games played for the first team until injury curtailed his season.

Leeds may have had to pay a fee for parcelle, because he was in contract. The fee was to buy out his contract. Now the clubs may have agreed the transfer openly and agreed that as he was not first choice the fee was zero.

With regards to buderus and Eastwood, they left two years after signing a contract, and given decent service. Not changed their minds a couple of weeks after signing because a better offer came along

Good balanced post highlighting the hypocrisy.

Doesn't fit the narrative being depicted by all the fawning groupie fans of a nasty and extremely bitter CEO though.

Apart from the fact that they will have been given compensation, or they would have been taken to court. Leeds wanted rid, so settled the contract. Its how contracts work

Your logic is laughable to be honest mate, your asking the guy who runs the financial part of the club to not seek compensation for lost funds


If he just let him go for nothing he wouldn't be doing his job

Eastwood and Buderus told us with plenty of time in advance of the new season, Segeyaro didn't really tell us at all, he just kicked up a fuss in the Aussie press and said he wasn't coming back.

I think it is quite funny that no NRL club is willing to pay a transfer, serves Segeyaro right of thinking any club is privileged to have him.

So Negative as always:

Ryan Sheridan had left a 12 month contract with Leeds and had been brought in by GH from his old club Sheffield Eagles. He was informed that Daryl Powell no longer wanted him as part of his plans for Leeds so we could bring in Mcguire, Burrows and Dunneman. He left Leeds and signed a 2 year contract with Widnes. ( Probably had his remaining contract paid out and at least the difference over the 12 months )

Andy Hay, See above regarding Ryan Sheridan.

Darren Fleary was given a six month notice period that his contract would be terminated, and during that time Huddersfield offered him a contract, Leeds at first said no to the transfer and offered him a squad place after he recovered from injury however Darren wanted to leave, so he became a giants player.

Karl Pratt I have covered on an earlier post .

Yes the club and GH makes mistakes but they are a business and not some cold ruthless machines that some people on hear imagine or ( fantasise about )

Eastwood and Buderus both decided to return to Australia mid season AFTER finishing that season with Leeds which gave us time to plan for the following season. They didn't sign a new contract, say to management and coaches they're happy to remain here and then do a u-turn a couple of weeks later by announcing, not to their faces btw, of their wanting to leave in the Aussie press.

If he came back to Leeds and said in April/May etc. that he wanted to leave at the end of 2017 even though he had another year then I'm sure we'd have let him go. Even if he spoke to Leeds officals privately and just told the truth that he just had a more tempting offer instead of playing the BS homesick to the Aussie press in an attempt to force Leeds to release him then again Leeds may have been willing to let him go.

Sure people can provide plenty of examples were Leeds have wanted to get rid of players because they no longer feature in their first team plans, happens at every club.....but they didn't just rip up there contract and stop paying them.

Your inability to comprehend is duly noted. In the same post you have said the club should seek financial compensation but nobody is prepared to pay!! Now that is truly laughable



My point was/is nobody is going to pay Leeds for him so what is the point of holding his registration? its childish - if you think Leeds who have cancelled his contract will be able to stop him playing then you are more naïve than I thought. You cannot prevent somebody with whom you have no contract earning a living.

Its a pointless exercise - Leeds should just move on and concentrate on building a side that doesn't finish in the bottom 4. That would be progress