Sadly true.

No evidence so far that Tetavano is capable of stepping up or playing big minutes, massively disappointing player, done nothing whilst here, and on marquee money.

Is Agar the only person who uses this phrase 'middle forwards'? I know It may be just a personal grievance but it does seem like a term that helps him to OK the mediocre forwards he's including with the description.

He was back full training I think a couple of weeks ago. Agree on Tetevano, Agars always commented on his attitude to training and his professionalism but his performances have been pretty underwhelming. The pack even with Holroyd back still looks a way short of competing at the top for that reason

Walker
Fusitua
Broadbent
Sutcliffe (unfortunately as no one else)
Handley

Austin
Sezer

Oledzki
Leeming
Tetevano
Bentley
Martin
Smith

Dwyer
Thompson
Gannon
Donaldson

Has there been any update on Newman? Wasn’t mentioned in the presser when asked about injured players returning.

Would be great to get him back for Saints along with Holroyd

I think the day or so after it was reported he’d be out a similar length of time to what it took when he first did the hamstring in the Hull friendly….so about 4 weeks??

4 weeks minimum I would say. Would be madness to rush it again. Hopefully Broadbent gets his chance tomorrow and manages to take it. Must be very tempting to rush Holroyd back, but it would be a disaster if he came back early and hurt himself again.

I agree…but only way Sutcliffe or Briscoe don’t play is if they get injured/fall sick before the game

Think Marty mentioned earlier in the week that Broadbent is playing. Really hope he is right.

Agar says he couldnt ask for more than in theyve responded in training. Ie everyone gets a reprieve and another poor performance leads to no changes...

If Broadbent plays that will be 4 changes to the side that played against Hull and 4 changes in key positions.

Well ones suspended, Bentley returns. I'm not convinced broadbent will oust Briscoe and Leeming comes back for Johnson who was made a scapegoat so I'm not sure we can credit Agar for responding to the defeat.

Im not giving him credit just saying it isn’t the same team - you forgot Smith by the way.

Who would have dropped snd who would you replace them with?

I guess those coming in were shoe ins anyway.
Broadbent and to some extent Mustapha deserve a shot on the basis Sutcliffe and Briscoe haven`t done a lot and the forwards can`t say they`ve done much to secure their place this week.

I agree on Mustapha. Broadbent is in the squad and might play

My point is that the side will change so adding even more changes might be too many and unfortunately other than Mustspha we don’t really have much choice in the forwards.

I meant to include Smith coming in for the suspended prior. Certainly Briscoe for broadbent is the key one and if this does happen I hope we don't see Briscoe on the bench. Muizz (not heard he's out?) in for Thompson. Bentley obviously replaces Mellor who's done nothing despite the opportunity. Sutcliffe is on thin ice too and a statement would be tindal in as well with fusitua going to centre.

I'm undecided on wholesale changes. Lack of effort - which I think was a factor in the FC debacle - is inexcusable. At the same time there's a clear need to put some structural issues right and too many switches will make that nigh impossible. Briscoe definitely goes for me - not for scapegoating reasons: he simply ain't a centre!

In other news, Kendall's just dished out what's possibly the most innocuous yellow card I've ever seen in tonight's TV game

I think those structural issues exist with the spine that won't change. Making changes to shake up around that wouldnt be a problem.

Re kendal, the game is really losing its way with the cards that are being handed out every week, its ridiculous.

That yellow was utterly ridiculous.

I don’t blame the refs though, they are just implementing what they are told to, i think they’re in an impossible position at the moment

There's a whole new level of incompetence coming tomorrow it's called Jack Smith, we had him last week, he was so bad if I didn't have a season ticket I wouldn't bother tomorrow. I would be concerned if he was reffing my boys under 11's team

Made my day hearing that

. Obviously I'm hoping for a Leeds win but hopefully neither set of fans has its evening ruined by ridiculous cards torpedoing their team's chances.

I wouldn't worry about your pack either based on some of the comments on here. After our first couple of games our pack has gone missing big time. It's VERY lightweight.

I like to be as optimistic as I can so I'm going for a tight game, however, most of our fans expect the usual spanking I'm afraid.

I'm sure Hull fans came one here saying the same last week...