Quite a few on here would have us losing the first two

It was the same points difference the last time we met in the middle 8s by yhe way.

ask Widnes if they'd swop places with us. all that matters is getting out of the 8's. beat rovers and we are about there imo. it's the changes before next year which are vital. these games have shown how much change is needed, a top coachbeing the most important

We (London) was shocking today. That was our worst display this season, and if you had not put queue on rack with 20 mins to go you should have had 70+. No idea whay we was so bad today, just hope that this performance is a one-off, and we get back to the rugby which had us on a 8 game unbeaten streak.

You won't have any problems finishing top 3, if you had Toronto away might be different story, but Toronto do not travel well, and with wins vs them, fax and Windes you will have 5 wins which will get you top 3, with little stress

Given our recent record there and our leaky defence, it wouldn't shock me if Widnes get their first points of the qualifiers on 9th September

They've beaten us a few times when they've been rock bottom and in a run of defeats

Be ruthless: other sides target teams they perceive to be a softer touch.
Rubbish like today; they'll target us.

We're rubbish. Winning by 16 or 60 doesn't change that fact. Just win as many games as we need to and rebuild this mess for 2019.

100% correct

We need so much surgery that as long as we get enough wins to stay in SL (3 more guaranteed that) then I don’t care what scores they are by or how we play.

In any case we need massive changes in players, coaches, conditioning staff and culture, this season needs condemning as soon as it’s over...

The number of wins is a correct comment and View, but to do that we have to at least beat one super league team.

In two games against two championship sides we have conceded 54 points. That does not in anyway show us we could beat a super league team, and we haven’t even played the best championship team yet. That is what people should be more concerned with.

3 Wins required from our remaining 5 games to end this horrible season.
The next 3 games v Hull KR (H) Widnes (A) and Salford (H) were always going to be the ones that would define how our season would pan out IMO due to how poor a side we are currently

We should be capable enough to win our final 2 games v Halifax (A) and Toronto (H)

We will get the wins required IMO to keep our SL status for 2019, but this season is a massive wake up call that urgently needs addressing

If we cannot beat Widnes (a team beaten at home by a team we just put 48 points on away) then we are in the brown stuff. Again in 2016 the winning margin against London was exactly the same as today.

Whilst we haven't played the best teams, past history shows that getting points on the board early matters. If we beat Halifax and Toronto we'd need one more win to be sure of staying out of the MPG. Hopefully we can avoid nerves by getting the wins early, but we're nowhere near good enough to try to cruise past supposedly lesser teams.

In terms of where the team is at the Challenge Cup semi is probably the best indicator. Whilst we may have meandered through some league games, that was a game that the team would have wanted to win and fancied their chances in. New coaching setup as well. All looked set for giving Wire a real game. In reality we got smashed.

I still think there`s an arrogance amongst some of our supporters to think that just because we are Leeds Rhinos we will win all our games comfortably.
Who was it who said we would beat London by 40 or was it 50 points?
We just about got past Toulouse thanks to a couple of poor refereeing calls and them fading in the last quarter.
We were thrashing London until we either gave up or tired ourselves and these two are championship teams not SL.
We need to face facts we are really pretty poor ourselves and nothing gives us the right to think we will stay up this year.
Our previous coach has lots to answer for but even Sinfield is finding it difficult to get anything out of this team.
We supposedly have quality in our ranks but we aren't showing it on the park.
Why is that?

And on the flip side theres a hell of a lot of posters on here that seem to think we’ll get beat every week.

As i have said before we beat london by the same margin in the last middle 8s, we obviously put the cue on the rack after being 48-10up, not saying thats a good attitude to have but I don’t give a monkeys as long as we stay up

In SL, true enough. In terms of the M8s, our next game v HKR is a crucial one. Win, and there's light at the end of the tunnel in survival terms. Lose and we're up to our waists in the quicksand.

I think that in the midst of the final positions points difference will come in at. Some point, that last quarter on Sunday’s may well cost you a place. Time will tell.

If we beat Hull KR we should be fine, we should be beating widnes and Halifax easily.

Fwiw I think we will lose to both Hull kr and Salford but win the rest which should see is safe.

Anyone else utterly unimpressed with Toronto so far? My favourite champ team is easily Toulouse

You have to go back pre SL to find a worse Leeds team than this one. And I don't enjoy saying that. There are similarities with the Leeds side I first watched, a few ageing and well past their best players at the edge of retirement, a lot of the very, very ordinary, a few genuinely crap wastes of space and a couple of quality players (although I just realized I have described most teams in SL). F**k it, what do I know. I only watch Union now anyway.

I have watched since 87' and its definitely up there with the team that took the field during SL 1 as the worst i have seen.

ATEOTD, staying up is all that matters, yes I'd like to see a professional performance from Leeds but y'know... we haven't had one all season so they aint going to start now. Performance would be great, but I'll take the result over performance at this point.

A lot of work to do.

we just need to survive. It's not about performance at this stage and in truth for an hour the performance was satisfactory. Win and get out of there is the order of the day at the moment.

The next game v KRnt is a vital one. Win and were as good as safe I think.

Lose and squeaky bum time for a few week. i think 4 wins will see us safe and we've 2 on the board already.

what a shambles to be in this position. Fingers crossed we never are again.

I agree. beat rovers and we are about there.

The next game is the one that will set the tone for the rest of the season.

The club know changes were/are needed - I expect significant activity once the status is confirmed.