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| I don’t know if he’s already been mentioned, as haven’t read the full post, but thought Delaney was a rock last night, tackled everything that moved.
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| I agree with that comment about Walker being rocks and diamonds last night and if Golding would have missed the tackle on Grace he would have been slated.
Don't get me wrong I think Walker will be class but i still prefer Golding's defence.
Next week might see Newman on the wing with Briscoe at centre if Watkins misses out.
Dwyer back next week hopefully.
We could go into the game with 10 first teamers missing and no replacement for Galloway.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Sorry Gotcha I agree with you on lots of things but I can't on Ablett last night. If you look at Barba's 2nd try Ablett had chased back 50 yards to make a desperate tackle on Barba missed tackle stats don't show that amount of effort it just shows missed tackle 1. That was after 70 mins of non stop grit, toughness, getting back to carry ball in on your own line, getting under oppositions skin and getting into referees ear also.
Stats might show a few missed tackles but it doesn't show the running blood to water to get in a position to make a tackle in 1st place.
Ablett for me was superb last night as he was at Warrington on the opening night. It was a great effort by all. Pride in the Leeds shirt in abundance so why pick up on a few negatives?'"
You are right Marty often the most missed tackles are made by the best defenders who are regularly first up and although counted as a miss in fact hinder or delay the attacker sufficiently to allow team mates to get to the attacker. Again often a missed tackle is made by a player who is trying to make his 2nd, 3rd or even 4th tackle on the trot.
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"Thought Walker was a bit rocks and diamonds last night, he needs to make that tackle on Grace and made a few errors in goal, but tbf it was his first game in a month.
Point is, he needs to up his game next week if he wants to secure the 1 shirt.'"
Correct. We are blessed with two classy players Golding shades it on defense while Walker looks to have the better attack potentially.
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| Great win under the circumstances with so many missing and losing Golding early. Would have been convincing were it not for the flashes of brilliance from Barba.
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| I have to admit that I though Ablett was probably the worst player on the night whilst watching it live, but it'd be churlish to be too critical of any of the players.
I have to say though, that I was surprised Parcel got MotM, I thought he was pretty poor first half, but outstanding in the 2nd.
Overall, I thought Watkins and Singleton were Leeds' best, and Delaney continued his good start to the season, it's his best start to a season for years.
I also don't understand Saint's whinging about Child. Wilkin especially could barely contain himself in his post match interview.
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| Delaney has taken a fair bit of stick for his injury record and some have wanted him gone for a few years now but he along with the other 'golden oldies' in JJB and Ablett (who have faced similar criticism) are really doing a great job for us at the moment with so much size missing in the forwards. 15 carries for 120m from Delaney is a great effort. I know Ablett had some obvious poor moments but his experience and work rate will have been invaluable on the pitch last night.
Also think people have been way too eager to be critical of Moon at HB. Saw people online lining up the criticism of him in the first half only for him to come up with match changing moments. He's never going to be a typical HB and will have certain things missing from his game but the things he has and how we like to play is working there and let's not forget so far this year he's had a back problem and missed a few games.
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| I don't believe Golding is as strong defensively as people make out. Last week he was poorly positioned for two grubbers resulting in Hull scoring from one. He also dropped two kicks. I also believe we concede far more repeat sets through Golding tapping it out or getting stuck in goal than we do Walker: there were, however, one or two incidents last night where Walker possibly could have done better with. For me Walker has better positioning, is safer under the kicks and is far more threatening in attack. I accept tackle wise that Golding might just edge it, however, not by a lot. I still haven't seen Golding do anything of note in attack since breaking into the first team.
This is me having a go in regards to Golding. I'd be happy to have him as full back were Walker not here, however, I'd pick Walker everytime when a choice between the two. Leeds have been very lucky to keep Walker.
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| Thought cam smith showed up really well. Theres never been any doubt over his ability, but for the 19's and at bradford last season, a lot of people have questioned his effort. Was good to see him really put himself about with some decent hitups and solid defence, including a try saver. Hope he can keep it up and earn more playing time.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"
I also don't understand Saint's whinging about Child. Wilkin especially could barely contain himself in his post match interview.'"
Wilkin having a whinge? Never......
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Nobody back next week, and Watkins and Golding also likely to miss the game according to McDermott.'"
Looks like Castleford will have this weekend off at this rate (meant to play Wigan at home tomorrow). The Wakey v Widnes game has just been cancelled around 30 mins in.
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| What a gutsy performance and one we had no right to win tbf
Great to see Wilkin whinging about the refs decisions yet again
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| Delaney has had some rough luck with injuries and it must have been soul destroying for him and now he's grabbing it while its there
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| I didn't think saints played too bad, they just came up against a team better than the 5 they've beat so far this season.
The ref seemed ok as far as that goes, they made mistakes but they were made to, Leeds made mistakes but were good enough to cover them.
I dunno what all this bitching about the ref and the Sts players being off form is all about, as a neutral I didn't see it.
I watched them pummel Leeds with meters for 50 minutes, I saw Leeds stay in the game by their finger nails against the tide till Sts shot their bolt, and then sneak a couple of lottery tries.
They'll probably get back on the horse next week and start blowing smoke up their own 4r53s but the Friday after we'll be back to bitchin about refs and poor playing form.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Will be interesting to see how Saints perform. Has been said on the VT and some other boards that they've mostly had a comfortable fixture list so far. Salford, Hudds and Catalans are all teams fighting to avoid bottom 4. Warrington look quite average after the uncertainty of how much they'd improve in the preseason. Cas on paper should've been a tough test and whilst Saints played well Cas were shocking and not at the races at all and would've probably lost to any team that night on that showing.'"
Printer asked the questions and he was right. Wilkin and Holbrook grudgingly conceding the better team won on the night.......but suggesting if Saints performed anything like they win the game. Think we heard the same in Grand Finals 2007, 2008,2009, and 2011. We seemed to hear the same from Cas personnel and pundits in general after last season’s Grand Final. We outscored Saints 5 tries to 3 on their own midden, with a full pack unavailable through injury. The 6 missing were 4 Grand Finalists from last season and our 2 new signings. Dear oh dear, when are other clubs going to realise that the best teams are mentally and physically strong when the need to be. Jon Wilkin appears more bitter and foolish as the years progress. His tight pants and coffee shop have not helped him to see the bigger picture or allowed him to get a firm grip on reality.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Printer asked the questions and he was right. Wilkin and Holbrook grudgingly conceding the better team won on the night.......but suggesting if Saints performed anything like they win the game. Think we heard the same in Grand Finals 2007, 2008,2009, and 2011. We seemed to hear the same from Cas personnel and pundits in general after last season’s Grand Final. We outscored Saints 5 tries to 3 on their own midden, with a full pack unavailable through injury. The 6 missing were 4 Grand Finalists from last season and our 2 new signings. Dear oh dear, when are other clubs going to realise that the best teams are mentally and physically strong when the need to be. Jon Wilkin appears more bitter and foolish as the years progress. His tight pants and coffee shop have not helped him to see the bigger picture or allowed him to get a firm grip on reality.'"
Its probably the most stupid comment any player or coach can make after a loss, that if they played their best they would have won. Do you think maybe Leeds tried one or two things to stop Saints playing their best, you know like general tactics and defensive patterns to dull the oppositions strength and exploit their weaknesses?
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| Walters did a good job last night. I feel some who have scapegoated him should eat humble pie.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"His tight pants and coffee shop have not helped him to see the bigger picture or allowed him to get a firm grip on reality.'"
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| Summed Wilkin up perfectly when Grace caught a high ball but jumped from the field into the in goal. Wilkin was in line and could see it perfectly but still had a moan at the ref.
It's hard to pick fault with any of the team. The game is over 80 minutes and whilst we weren't great in the first 40, our defence gave us the chance to win the game and they took it. So many of the team put their bodies on the line and so missed tackles shouldn't come into it. 2 points that many didn't expect to get and it's not like the Hull game where Saints had some tough calls that cost tries. Whilst they had field position, they didn't really pummel our line. Older guys lead from the front and the youngsters took their chances.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Walters did a good job last night. I feel some who have scapegoated him should eat humble pie.'"
Think your clutching at straws if you think thats a performance to shove down his doubters throats, he fell on a couple of loose balls and thats about it. 19 yearold cam smith was better than him and has hopefully overtaken him in the pecking order. Some people, myself included, just think he's a very poor player, im not scapegoating, i just think he's a terrible player. I love his effort, but thats not enough at super league level.
Agree to disagree if you like but dont think any humble pie needs to be eaten, everyones entitled to there opinion.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Printer asked the questions and he was right. Wilkin and Holbrook grudgingly conceding the better team won on the night.......but suggesting if Saints performed anything like they win the game. Think we heard the same in Grand Finals 2007, 2008,2009, and 2011. We seemed to hear the same from Cas personnel and pundits in general after last season’s Grand Final. We outscored Saints 5 tries to 3 on their own midden, with a full pack unavailable through injury. The 6 missing were 4 Grand Finalists from last season and our 2 new signings. Dear oh dear, when are other clubs going to realise that the best teams are mentally and physically strong when the need to be. Jon Wilkin appears more bitter and foolish as the years progress. His tight pants and coffee shop have not helped him to see the bigger picture or allowed him to get a firm grip on reality.'"
Agree with this 100%. Its unbelievable how little credit leeds get, its always the other team having an off day or the refs hammered them. Its like its just a coincidence that these off days always seem to happen against leeds. Like is said above, we went to there home patch, missing our best 3 forwards plus a few others, lost a player after ten minutes, three 19 yearolds and josh walters on the bench, only 3 props in our 17...And we beat them pretty comfortably. Wilkin embarrassed himself in the interview, if saints were at there best , they could of won, but we didnt allow them to be, conversley, if we were at our best, were on our home patch and didnt have half a team missing...We could of won by 50
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Printer asked the questions and he was right. Wilkin and Holbrook grudgingly conceding the better team won on the night.......but suggesting if Saints performed anything like they win the game. Think we heard the same in Grand Finals 2007, 2008,2009, and 2011. We seemed to hear the same from Cas personnel and pundits in general after last season’s Grand Final. We outscored Saints 5 tries to 3 on their own midden, with a full pack unavailable through injury. The 6 missing were 4 Grand Finalists from last season and our 2 new signings. Dear oh dear, when are other clubs going to realise that the best teams are mentally and physically strong when the need to be. Jon Wilkin appears more bitter and foolish as the years progress. His tight pants and coffee shop have not helped him to see the bigger picture or allowed him to get a firm grip on reality.'"
I think his best one was 2007 when he complained that the Leeds players were making too much noise when they were celebrating their 33-6 win in the dressing room
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| I don't think i even buy hat saints dominated the opening half. Leeds were all over them at the start. Saints were on top for at best 20 minutes
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Think your clutching at straws if you think thats a performance to shove down his doubters throats, he fell on a couple of loose balls and thats about it. 19 yearold cam smith was better than him and has hopefully overtaken him in the pecking order. Some people, myself included, just think he's a very poor player, im not scapegoating, i just think he's a terrible player. I love his effort, but thats not enough at super league level.
Agree to disagree if you like but dont think any humble pie needs to be eaten, everyones entitled to there opinion.'"
He posted the same thing twice, didn't get a bite from the one on page 7 so thought he would go again for some reason.
Like yourself, not really sure why humble pie should be eaten here, may sirsinfield would like to point out what Walters did in the game to warrant such a 180 in opinions? Best i can say is i didn't even notice he was on the pitch.
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| Interestingly Walters did have the exact same number of tackles (7), missed tackles (2), carries (6), metres made (37) and penalties (1) as Cam Smith.
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