I think you need to take a look at performances and the league table, because we are doing a pretty good impression of Wakefield so far this year.

Yes, that's exactly what'll happen. Because the two clubs are exactly the same - financially, facilities, supporter base, every facet of their operations is entirely comparable.

Mind you, going from 12th to 6th in the space of half a season is probably something Leeds could do with aspiring to.

Yeah, 15 games doesnt discount 15 years.

NO, leeds should aspire to do more than that.

Why has this level incompetence you speak of won so many trophies including the historic treble only last season? Or are you suggesting that the culture and structures have done an about turn since Christmas and if so why?

You cannot guarantee that if Murray (or anyone else) were coach we would not have conceded nearly 92 points given the same circumstances this is pure speculation.

It could well be that it is time for a change and had our fall from grace happened with a full squad and full preseason training in place then you would have a stronger argument as you would have if he were solely responsible for the lack of quality recruitment. I believe that GH is responsible for recruitment.

But where you have a proven asset as a champion coach who produced his best and historic results for the club only last season, when he was coach of the year, to then to throw this away only on the evidence that we have had a disastrous first half of the season would be a huge and unnecessary risk. Especially if it were just to satisfy a bunch of impatient and unreasonable spectators who dismiss so lightly the obvious extenuating circumstances the coach has found himself from the very start of his preparations and which have continued throughout the season to date so that each week he cannot select a team until almost kick of time.

It was actually 10 players missing on Saturday. So if all were fit I would drop Handley for Hall, Golding for Briscoe, Watkins for Moon, Achurch for Ward, Walters for Ablett, Singleton for Delaney, L Briscoe for Burrow, Mullally for Garbutt, Hallas for Falloon, Hardaker for Sutcliffe.

But you are ignoring that it was HKR that sacked Chester so the tangible example is HKR who may now be regretting sacking Chester.

We agree that it was the club that made the mistake of not adequately replacing the roles of Sinfield and JP. But that is a player issue not a coaching issue unless you can prove the coach was responsible for the recruitment failures.

Quote ="krisleeds"The thing is that his press conferences instill no confidence and provide no answers. The Wigan game here - www.therhinos.co.uk/tv/brian-mcd ... K6xvkrK70- seems to say that the players are all knackered due to playing and 'tough' calls. Tough tough tough.'" Interestingly, in his press conference, BMcD listed all the injured players but (conveniently) left out Falloon's name. I wonder why?

Quote ="krisleeds"The thing is that his press conferences instill no confidence and provide no answers. The Wigan game here - www.therhinos.co.uk/tv/brian-mcd ... K6xvkrK70- seems to say that the players are all knackered due to playing and 'tough' calls. Tough tough tough.'" Interestingly, in his press conference, BMcD listed all the injured players but (conveniently) left out Falloon's name. I wonder why?

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It was arguably Hull KR's excellent Challenge Cup run which kept Chester in that job in 2015. Their top eight target was missed and this time around they acted early and decisively - Chester himself had predicted his own demise when he said he was surprised to be only second favourite for the chop at Hull KR's pre season media event.

Your 1 from 5 includes the two games Willie Poching was in charge of before Webster's appointment - Webster's Hull KR won 2 from his first 5 including their biggest win V Leeds at Headingley both in terms of points scored and margin of victory not only in my lifetime but also in your lifetime, indeed it was Hull KR's highest score and biggest margin at Headingley ....... EVER.

Including today's defeat Webster is now 4 wins from 10 Regular Rounds as Hull KR coach while Leeds are 2 wins from the same. If you think Hull KR's record since changing coaches is not that great (and compared to Wakefield's I agree it's not) it's still 100% better than that achieved by Leeds who are sticking with theirs. If you class 4 from 10 as poor what does that make 2 from 10?



SL Regular Rounds in 2016

Chester at Hull KR = 1 point from 6 = 17%

Poching at Hull KR = 0 point from 4 = 0%

Webster at Hull KR = 8 points from 20 = 40%

McDermott at Leeds = 6 points from 30 = 20%

So with a bit of positional tinkering we would get something like:

Sutcliffe
Briscoe, Keinhorst, Moon, Hall
McGuire, Lilley
Galloway, Falloon, Cuthbertson
Ward, Ferres, Jones-Buchanan
Subs:
Burrow, Ablett, Delaney, Garbutt

Result with McDermott as coach 11th rather than 12th?

But getting rid of a proven Cup winner and current Coach of the Year is a much bigger risk. BM has had to endure a time without adequate training and preparation facilities and with half his main playing asset missing each week. On Saturday he still had 10 first teamers missing. Having had to endure these unusual handicaps for so long for the coach to be dumped now at a time when we should start to see a return of some of the injured stars would be most unfair as surely Mac has earned the time to enjoy the benefits of fielding a better team.




I think this is an area where the club (GH) has made serious errors. The team on paper may compare favourably when viewed with out past results but in reality since the leaders and play makers have retired and not been replaced adequately our strength in depth has been exposed. The signs were there last year just after the Cup final when it was clear some of the senior players were past their best days while others had been over valued. Our reserves in the main are not good enough so without half the first choices for an entire half a season it is no wonder we struggled against other sides that have recruited better. IMO Cas for example have better players in the key position than we do this year.



The common denominator in all this is the quality of players are not good enough especially if half of the best are unavailable. Remember Wakefield only improved since Smith departed!

If we were to sack BMcD tomorrow what detriment could it possibly have?

It's not we could get any worse now is it?

Agreed.

Being patronising towards the Wakefield club when your own club is totally house and bottom of SL by some distance and trailing them by TEN POINTS seems inappropriate to me.

Having said that, he's got plenty of previous WRT Wakefield, bordering on obsessive bile.

Leeds are the best run club in Super League.

Allegedly.

...but only with Sinfield & Peacock at the helm


Subjective choice - it does in no way mean he IS the best coach in SL. It might have been somewhat contentious & small-minded should the "committee" have chosen a coach other than the one that was coach of the team that won the only 3 trophies available (other than WCC).


For goodness' sake, it's been 5 months since the floods, 3 months since the season started - are you seriously using that as an excuse for last Saturday & the Thursday before?


As someone alluded to earlier, the team sheets that he has put out this year should have been more than capable of getting results (at least competing to do so!) in more than half the games we have lost. Isn't it the job of the coach to prepare his charges in the best possible way to compete effectively (structures, motivation, tactics etc) - there is almost zero evidence of this being done effectively. Remember, I'm not talking here about knock-ons & "stupid" penalties (one of your favourite excuses for BMD), I'm talking about the team looking like they have been prepared properly for the opposition of the day.

Man Utd finish 5th in the league....win the FA Cup....and 2 days later, sack the manager for not getting acceptable results.

Meanwhile, over at Headingley......

"Not getting acceptable results"

Translation "we couldn't pass up the opportunity of hiring Mourinho and seeing a rival club get him instead"

You wish

Well said

Some people are just not satisfied.....you're forgetting our esteemed coach is a treble winning coach from just last year. This season's freefall results should be ignored and we should all be grateful for past exploits. It's a disgrace, we are spoilt and as true supporters would should continue to get behind the coaching staff, management and players. I would contribute more but my constraints need readjusting a little....

Not at all, whilst i can understand Wakefield fans revelling in what classes as success for them, if we are in the position Wakefield are in next year, the knee-jerkers and trolls (if they are still about) will be demanding 'whoever' out.

I have invested in a Sat Nav in anticipation for travelling to all those new exciting destinations in the Championship. No Band Waggoner here Sir!

Can you get Earl Grey tea at Featherstone?

Banned waggoners shouldn't be allowed of course



In answer to your question perhaps Zak could enlighten you from his younger (and future returned?) days living there?
The name might prompt him just enough to suggest you try Huddersfield instead ....otherwise bring your own

On.the bright side warrington are notorious for giving a Win to a coach under pressure or losing when look odds on win.