Mulhearn gave two on the bounce childish penalties dragged off after that, can see why he never got if the bench last week

Dunno about that bit he certainly rammed his head into Zak...didn't stop sky saying Zak should be penalised for then pushing him away

Thought he looked decent and at least one of them wasnt him

That McGuire kick was the turning point for me, did the ref pull it back when zak initially tapped because giants were offside?

If so why did he give Huddersfield a penalty literally two minutes later for the same thing?

Second one was never a penalty. Agree dumbest decision of the night was taking the kick on the 20 & just giving McGillvary space to run at us. Never had the ball in the second half due to a combination of Hudds excellent last tackle kicks and our own indiscipline.

Only saw it once and at full speed but think that last play "try" would have been chalked off for offside from the Peacock kick even if Burrow kept his feet.

Think he brought it back because several Leeds players weren't behind the 20.

think if you watch again they were and he was wrong

I'm not sure we were lucky. Everything went Hudds way in that 2nd half. The 50/50s, and the bounce of the ball certainly went their way.

However, McGuire's decision to go for touch from the 20m restart was the turning point. Hudds had just had 5 consecutive sets on our line and we kept them out. All we had to do was calm it down, and he goes and does that which allowed Hudds to camp themselves in our half for the next 25 minutes.

On the performance we were much better than last week, and were good value for our half time lead. Delaney carried the ball well but was a passenger in defense in the middle at times. Aiton was superb first stint, shocking the 2nd. Cuthbertson had his quietest game so far and looks like he needs a week off. Moon was outstanding and Keinhorst was solid, but he looks more of a back rower to me.

Not sure what you expect a team missing both wingers, the player of the season so far and a half fit JJB to do. To get draw was a good result - not many predicting much from the game.

Sinfield may have had a positive impact in some areas but he has become a defensive weakness which appears to be overlooked by those clamoring for his return.

Overall the team played well as a unit but young players will make errors as Handley did for the try and Mulhern for the penalties still both made good contributions

So from Wells description of the VRefs decision (which he did say wasn't how he saw it) seems Huby was fine because whilst he initially intentionally obstructed Cuthburtson/but by the time the line was broken Hubywas facing his own line and therefore not actively obstructing (even tho he was actually physically obstructing)

WTF?

We have the best centre in super league and we play him on the wing,forking clueless !

Joel was in the centres

For me, if cuthbertson wasn't trying so hard to get the obstruction he could have easily made the tackle and stopped that try, by the time the hudds player comes through look at how close cuthbertson is too him, but instead he's far more concerned with finding out what aftershave huby is wearing.

This constant meddling with the obstruction rule over the last few seasons has left me completely baffled.

I honestly have little idea what decision is going to be given on the most basic of rulings.

Leeds were penalised for obstruction in the first half and I have absolutely no idea which Huddersfield player was deemed to have been obstructed.

Come second half, a dummy runner stops in the defensive line, contacts a defender and remains directly between said defender and the ball carrier who directs his run straight back at him .... textbook obstruction basically ... and three referees say its play on.

I'm not calling them biased. I'm not calling them cheats. I just have no clue what they are doing.

I think that's an NRL tactic from last season (where at one stage players were blatantly looking for obstructions).

All the same Cuthbertsen couldn't physically get past Huby which is the textbook definition of an obstruction.

I have to disagree he's a side step away from making the tackle, by that point huby is strolling back

Just got back. Thought we we were not that good in the first half to be honest, as Huddersfield were the worst side I have seen this year. Things went our way first half, and we threw the ball about, but with no plan at all.

When things went against us second half, for the second week running we had nobody to step up and lead the side. That was a game situation we would have won any time over last 12 years with Sinfield out there. You can't just cut him off if you don't have a replacement. That doesn't mean another stand off, that means a proper leader/captain. I don't care where he plays, but he should be out there to manage players, that quite obviously don't have a brain at times. I mean, the way that bloody drop goal was handled was ridiculous.

On the game thought Delaney and JJB were fantastic. Other than that, I couldn't pick anyone. Why still persist with Burrow I just don't know.

Oh and Silverwood is useless. A very inconsistent poor Ref.

Since when were defenders expected to sidestep dummy runners?

Huby intentionally made contact. He wasnt strolling anywhere he just turned on the spot, he knew exactly what he was doing. Yes Cuthbertson milked it a bit but that shouldn't effect whether its an obstruction or not

Not watched it yet...what happened?

Does look like i might be best just watching first half only.

I stated McDermott needed to be ruthless enough to not have both Sinfield and Burrow on the bench...still it was hard to believe he actually did it.
It's hard to comprehend we have moved so quickly from having the first selected on the team sheet as undisputable captain to not been selected at all.
Talk about "falling off the edge of a cliff"

Hard to see what influence Sinfield could have had in that second half, given we had something like 30% of the possession thanks to penalty after penalty. Think Silverwood must have been reminded at half-time that it was a Leeds game, because he certainly reverted to type.

First 40 I thought we were controlled, clinical, kicked pretty well and bossed the game. Hard to do much in a game when you don't have the ball though.

Out of interest, why was Wardle marched ten metres for clapping a Silverwood decision, while Brough gave the TJ dog's abuse and Silverwood just turned a blind eye and deaf ear to it? Good player he might be, but at times - usually when his team is struggling - Brough is an embarrassment to the sport. Wouldn't want him in a Leeds shirt.

Oh, and why on that last play is Burrow trying to step back inside? He's got a player looping around to get onto his left shoulder, just needed a simple straighten, draw and pass to create the try.

With all due respect I think you need to watch it again I'm not talking about 'sidestepping the dummy runner' cuthbertson was stalking huby back as the player came through, all he had to do was step to the side and make the tackle and stop the try, he was that close. You can disagree that's your opinion but I think if you watch it over there's no doubt cuthbertson should/could make that tackle

Ah so that's what Burrow "did" ... Sounds like a typical Burrow 'move' ...

I think your missing my point (probably due to my slightly tongue in cheek phrasing).

Huby deliberately ran into Cuthbertson*. To then somehow put the burden on Cuthbertson to get around Huby (as you suggest and seemingly as the VR believes) is as ridiculous as last season when tries were being chalked off for theoretical obstruction with no defender anywhere nearby.

*in his initial run he actually stepped sideways and out his shoulder across Cuthbertson just as he reached the line

Because he wanted to be the hero and win the game and show the coach he should be starting..no doubt.

In fairness having watched it several times since to check on sides/possible knock ones etc, I think he'd overrun the pass from Ablett or at least Ablett in trying to force the offload when been tackled threw it slightly behind him meaning burrow was turning his back towards his own try line to bring the pass in and on trying to spin round he slipped.

Must confess though live and on watching the 1st reply I was screaming at him on the TV for bombing the winning try with 2 men outside him in acres of space and for trying to step inside to take the glory himself.