I think McDermott has to go, yes we have won a few pots.

But after 4 seasons in charge we have finished 5,5,3 and now a ridiculous 6th. No where near good enough.

We have a great team that will win big games whoever is in charge but we need fresh blood to take us to a new era once peacock, Sinfield et al go

Yep! Winning a "few pots" is simply not good enough

Completely agree 2 Super League titles, a World Club Challenge and a Challenge Cup is simply not good enough in 4 years!!!

Some people will never be happy

Don't think anyone will complain about trophies. It's the general quality of rugby and lack of development of players that I think creates criticism of Mcdermott.

He really is an enigma.

Yep and I bet the whole squad's gutted. In the last 11 years they've won all those GFs, WCCs, LLS and finally a CC but haven't beaten Wigan in a final.



They also haven't beaten Salford, Hull, Catalans, Batley or East Leeds.

History tells us he might not get another chance to win one, as his credentials in the league are poor. The new structure will not allow us to compete for the trophy if he repeats his league form thus far in his career.

If only the top 4 went into the play offs this season then Leeds wouldn't have finished the season as they have. They've finished the season as they have because they knew the final games were meaningless and they are saving everything for the play offs.

It's pretty ridiculous the amount of whining over a meaningless finishing position in the league. We've won the first trophy of the season, one that had eluded us for a ridiculous amount of times given the strength of the teams we've had and the amount of finals we reached. We now see how he do in the play offs. But league position? You guys are morons for whining about it.

Had they have beaten Saints and Wigan and still being the same, I would have agreed with you. As it is it is absolute rubbish to say they would have done if needed. Seriously saying they didn't put it all in for those two games? Our position is where our league form deserves. The coach has finished once in the top four in his coaching career. There is a serious doubt he can manage a league campaign of 27 rounds successfully. One off matches yes, but to get to those you need to finish top four next season, and that is where the concerns lie.

After the most successful decade in the clubs history they can't be blamed for playing the system. Lets face it, the only important games in a season are the CC, play offs and GF. I take my children to the a few games during the season and all the play offs etc. They are young teenagers but have seen Leeds win virtually as much silverware as i have and I have been a supporter for over 30 years.
Next season may be a shake up in the format and we may see a more competitive season, time will tell and I'm sure the RFL will move the goalposts after season 1 and anger some fans/coasches. At least they are trying to improve our sport for the better, sometimes misguided with some of the direction but at least they are striving for improvement.
I for one will support Leeds through thick and thin and after many years of thin as a fan I'm thoroughly enjoying silverware being brought back to Headingly

You are right. I'd much rather he could deliver a meaningless top 4 finish consistently than win trophies and titles.

Gotcha, you are a complete plank with no grasp of sport at all.

In the 60s early 70s we finished in first place 5 times and only won the championship final once when we were clearly the best team.The history books show the the champions of those years.I would prefer to have had a couple more Champion final wins in place of all those LLs trophies

Had we been miles of the pace of the top teams all year and spent most of the year floating around 6th then could understand more of the disappointment.

But we've been right at the top most of the year and it was down to the CC that's seen us drop down.....an acceptable reason IMO.

The fixation and focus on the CC for this group of players is now over, not saying they won't want to win it again next year but they won't be as hell bent (sorry if that word offends anyone) on getting it. This will be make a big difference alone next year IMO.

In the weeks before the CC Final I heard 3/4 players and McDermott himself all repeat the same thing, that the targets this year were the CC and LLS......not one of them ever mentioned the GF or playoffs in anyway.

I'm thinking he may be referring to Bradford and London. I could be wrong.

The problem for Leeds next season is they have to finish in the Top 4, otherwise it's season over! They'll no longer be able to get away with tossing it off throughout the regular season as has become the norm under McDermott.

Given that McDermott's coaching record in SL is 7th, 9th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 5th, 5th, 3rd and probably 6th... it's not unreasonable to be questioning his credentials for the job in light of the new structure.

Fair enough.however, its hard to imagine mcdermott resting so many and not focusing on gaining victory over easy beats Bradford and London before the cup were it only top 4 qualify,games had we won we would still be on for top and the dinner plate.6th really is a bit of a false position but still as you know not at all bad in current format.

we will see what the new structure brings, but i expect leeds to finish top 4 no problem next year.

Grow up idiot. Read what is put properly, as it appears you have no concept of the sport. Next season onwards only the top four will have the opportunity to win the trophy. That is the context being spoken of.

And as I said, had we beaten Saints or Wigan, I would have agreed with him. The CC final wasn't the reason we lost those, nor was losses to Wakefield, an injury hit Saints away, or injury hit Wigan on magic weekend.

We are finishing where we are because that is the form over 27 rounds, not because of a challenge cup.

Eh? I know our Coach has had his moments but I doubt even he would have fielded the sides he did against Bradford and London had we not still been in the Challenge Cup.

Correct.and were the system not broken the way it currently is i highly doubt so many would have been rested over both those games.

Would Mcguire and Burrow have been left out against wigan were there no real difference to finishing 3rd/4th or 5th/6th? Again, probably not.

Easy beats Bradford and London won't be there next season to be focusing on or off either way. With the initial top division down to 12 teams, that's two less whipping boy SL rabble teams and 4 less games available to toss off the regular season.

Given that 5th, 5th and 3rd were the last 3 positions Leeds finished on the regular season SL ladder, finishing 6th doesn't appear to be quite so false a position for the club to be in under the tutelage of McDermott. Sadly, among many of the fans, it's a finishing position on the ladder which is deemed structurally acceptable to many, provided it's backed up by silverware of course.

Next season should far more interesting as fans have been ripped-off and starved of proper sport for over half a decade. They'll get to rediscover interesting and meaningful games again during the regular season, and when they do, then "5th", "6th" and "McDermott" will suddenly become regarded (and rightly so) as unacceptable pieces in the Rhinos jigsaw.

Sorry pal but what a load of b-llocks. Its been a balancing act this season, with the first target being the cup. You can't ignore it has affected our league position!!

Log off - you're embarrassing yourself.

So finishing 6th potentially ending only 4pts off first is unacceptable?

Also we're domed for next year because it's only top 4 playoffs? What rubbish. It's a new season, with a new structure. I expect Leeds will finish top 4. Remember Leeds and saints are the only teams to have featured in every last of series. No reason to doubt that continuing

Exactly

What is unacceptable is the standard of play for the second half of the season - the CC should not have impacted the league - the fact it did is amateur hour for an elite professional side!!

Many on here think after winning the CC the team can now fail dismally in the play offs and it will still have been a vintage season!!

So for those who think winning the CC is enough would it have been OK if the side had missed out on the play offs but still won the CC?

A few moaners and an increasingly laughable troll on an internet forum or the most successful coach at the most successful club in SL's history?

I'll stick my faith in the latter, cheers.

Roll on the play offs, WCC weekend and 2015.

I'm sure the troll will do his usual 6 week disappearing act at around 8pm on GF night and the perennial moaners will still be saying we're papering over the cracks despite doing the double, lol.