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At the moment I have some sort of cold plus a splitting headache ,also I have been to the dentist for a filling.
Reading this thread has cheered me up completely , long may it continue .
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I only wish that the Leeds players are as complacent as the posts on this MB. Everyone is expecting a stroll in the park and a score to match the cricket scores next door. Let's hope this complacency is infectious. You never know in a 80 minute game of rugby. An injury to a key player, a sin-binning or sending off. One thing's for sure the Leigh players and fans are going to enjoy a fantastic game of Rugby League. It's going to be brilliant and the fans are going to make the Leigh players proud to be part of our adventure back to the big time. I hope your ground is fully covered. We are used to a modern state of the art stadium in Leigh. :O)
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| Quote ="WYSIWYG"I only wish that the Leeds players are as complacent as the posts on this MB. Everyone is expecting a stroll in the park and a score to match the cricket scores next door. Let's hope this complacency is infectious.'"
Even though (apart from one poster that said we could rest a few) no one has mentioned anything about a stroll or cricket scorelines, not sure where you got that from TBH. |
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| Quote ="William Eve"Terribly unfortunate CC draw for the Leeds Rhinos yet again as their bad luck continues unabated.
In the last 10 seasons, Leeds have...
1) Been drawn at home only 18 times out of a possible 26.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 8 times out of a possible 26.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 13 times out of a possible 26.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 7 times out of a possible 26.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys once (At home, naturally).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times out of a possible 26 (At home on each occasion, naturally).
It's about time Leeds got some luck in Challenge Cup draws.
No.
Really.'"
8 pages, have you come yet?
Who gives a tuppeny Shiite what the cup draw is, it's all down to chance but that doesn't suit your agenda does it.... |
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| Quote ="William Eve"Since drawing Wigan away in the CC during the 1987/88 season, Leeds have been involved in 71 cup draws up to and including the Quarter Finals.
[uDuring those 71 CC draws, the following stats apply...[/u
Leeds drawn at home 46 times (around 65% of the time).
Leeds drawn away from home 25 times (around 35% of the time).'"
And I bet if you tossed a coin 71 times you'd get similar results with around 65% on heads or tails and 35% on tails or heads.
But still, it's utterly thrilling stuff.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Terribly unfortunate CC draw for the Leeds Rhinos yet again as their bad luck continues unabated.
In the last 10 seasons, Leeds have...
1) Been drawn at home only 18 times out of a possible 26.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 8 times out of a possible 26.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 13 times out of a possible 26.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 7 times out of a possible 26.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys once (At home, naturally).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times out of a possible 26 (At home on each occasion, naturally).
It's about time Leeds got some luck in Challenge Cup draws.
No.
Really.'"
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| Quote ="William Eve"Leeds have been so unlucky in CC draws that they have drawn Wigan 4 times at home since then (since 1999 actually).'"
So what how many more times are you going to tell us?NO REALLY. |
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I'm looking for some information on how many times Leeds have been drawn at home in the Cup in recent years. Anybody know where I can find out?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I'm looking for some information on how many times Leeds have been drawn at home in the Cup in recent years. Anybody know where I can find out?'"
Contact RL Headquarters they will be able to answer your question and at the same time give you the Leeds draw for future years.   |
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I'm planning my Wembley trip now, hows that for arrogance.
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Anyone know when it will be confirmed what day and time the game will be?
I expect all of those moaners on here who complain Leeds always get difficult draws and / or SL teams will be at the game in force - so rare is a tie such as this! Lunar eclipses are more commonplace!
I think it is not an easy tie, but one (provided everyone is focused) we should be able to win. Be interesting to see how many do go and watch it though.
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On Sunday 8th June Yorks are at home to Notts which should be one of the best attended championship games of the summer so I would hope & expect that our tie is played on Saturday 7th.
Speaking for myself I don't care who or which teams are playing in the FIFA world cup on either day.
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Given that Wigan's CC draws are often cited as far easier than Leeds (Flexwheeler has been particular noteworthy for pushing that particular agenda), their record over the past decade is as follows...
In the last 10 seasons, Wigan have...
1) Been drawn at home only 13 times out of a possible 29.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 16 times out of a possible 29.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 10 times out of a possible 29.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 11 times out of a possible 29.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys twice (UTC and Pia).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times out of a possible 26 (Once at home, 5 times away).
Wigan were drawn at home 45% of the time and away from home 55% of the time.
Leeds were drawn at home 69% of the time and away from home 31% of the time.
Wigan have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times, once at home, 5 times away from home.
Leeds have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times, 5 times at home, never away from home.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"On Sunday 8th June Yorks are at home to Notts which should be one of the best attended championship games of the summer so I would hope & expect that our tie is played on Saturday 7th.'"
As a YCCC member, I do hope that will be the case. The experience last week when the Salford home game clashed with the cricket was an unpleasant experience. And I didn't particularly appreciate overhearing that moron on the Rhinos PA system disturbing the peace by moronically screaming "LEEEEEEEDDDDZZZZ RHINOOOOOOOOOZZZZZ" every couple of minutes whilst I'm watching the cricket. Is he the same clown who is often employed at internationals, CC Finals and GF's who incessantly screams "C'MOM, LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE!" Prize prat who is far more annoying than that band in the South Stand. |
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| Quote ="William Eve"Given that Wigan's CC draws are often cited as far easier than Leeds (Flexwheeler has been particular noteworthy for pushing that particular agenda), their record over the past decade is as follows...
In the last 10 seasons, Wigan have...
1) Been drawn at home only 13 times out of a possible 29.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 16 times out of a possible 29.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 10 times out of a possible 29.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 11 times out of a possible 29.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys twice (UTC and Pia).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times out of a possible 26 (Once at home, 5 times away).
Wigan were drawn at home 45% of the time and away from home 55% of the time.
Leeds were drawn at home 69% of the time and away from home 31% of the time.
Wigan have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times, once at home, 5 times away from home.
Leeds have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times, 5 times at home, never away from home.'"
Is this cited by anyone except you? On this thread? You have to let it go and move on with your life. Can't you see this is tearing us apart?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"On Sunday 8th June Yorks are at home to Notts which should be one of the best attended championship games of the summer so I would hope & expect that our tie is played on Saturday 7th.
Speaking for myself I don't care who or which teams are playing in the FIFA world cup on either day.'"
It will be a Friday won't it? |
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| Quote ="William Eve"Given that Wigan's CC draws are often cited as far easier than Leeds (Flexwheeler has been particular noteworthy for pushing that particular agenda), their record over the past decade is as follows...
In the last 10 seasons, Wigan have...
1) Been drawn at home only 13 times out of a possible 29.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 16 times out of a possible 29.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 10 times out of a possible 29.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 11 times out of a possible 29.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys twice (UTC and Pia).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times out of a possible 26 (Once at home, 5 times away).
Wigan were drawn at home 45% of the time and away from home 55% of the time.
Leeds were drawn at home 69% of the time and away from home 31% of the time.
Wigan have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times, once at home, 5 times away from home.
Leeds have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times, 5 times at home, never away from home.'"
This is getting silly now.
Draws are random, we all know that and all this wheeling out stats of who teams have drawn in the past X amount of years is both pointless and irrelevant.
What cannot be denied is that Wigan got a cake walk run to the final last year, including the final itself as it turned out, and have had a cushy run so far this year (how much of a test Castleford will turn out to be in a couple of months time we will see). Most posters, including myself, have questioned ( in jest mainly) the outrageous run of luck Wigan are having but thats all it is, the good old luck of the draw. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It will be a Friday won't it?'"
I thought the games were to be played on Saturday or Sunday, Friday not an option.
Yorks are away to Lancs on Friday in the T20 so not an issue for the ground. |
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Quote ="William Eve"Given that Wigan's CC draws are often cited as far easier than Leeds (Flexwheeler has been particular noteworthy for pushing that particular agenda), their record over the past decade is as follows...
In the last 10 seasons, Wigan have...
1) Been drawn at home only 13 times out of a possible 29.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 16 times out of a possible 29.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 10 times out of a possible 29.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 11 times out of a possible 29.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys twice (UTC and Pia).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times out of a possible 26 (Once at home, 5 times away).
Wigan were drawn at home 45% of the time and away from home 55% of the time.
Leeds were drawn at home 69% of the time and away from home 31% of the time.
Wigan have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times, once at home, 5 times away from home.
Leeds have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times, 5 times at home, never away from home.'"
Anyone would think the cup draws are a game of chance, akin to balls randomly being pulled out of a hat...
Oh, wait.
All these 'stats' prove nothing to some degree - it just proves that teams got who they got. Not that there is an agenda in favour of, or against any team. If you look for 'coin toss probability' in maths, it is this in action. In theory, in say 30 cup draws, you'd expect to be drawn at home roughly about 15 times each, though there is a probable range either way so iy may be 17/13 for or 12/18 against. As it comes out much more in favour of one, say 2 at home, 28 against, or drawn to a then that is statisticlly more rare and improbable, but not impossible as each drawn is a new, random draw with a 50/50% chance of being drawn at home (or away). The more times you are in the bag to be drawn out, with time, the more it will get closer to 50/50.
See this link and have a go yourself;
www.basic-mathematics.com/coin-t ... ility.html
Do it say 30 times each and i bet some of you may get lop-sided results but (in theory) the majority should get closer to 50/50.
Incidentally i just did it and it ended 15/15.
All this 'conspiracy' stuff is boring me now - there is no conspiracy or favouritism or anything like that. It is pure chance and with such things, some teams have more chance than others with regard to certain things - Leeds more home games, Wigan more away but apparently 'easier' teams... |
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Quote ="William Eve"Given that Wigan's CC draws are often cited as far easier than Leeds (Flexwheeler has been particular noteworthy for pushing that particular agenda), their record over the past decade is as follows...
In the last 10 seasons, Wigan have...
1) Been drawn at home only 13 times out of a possible 29.
2) Been unfortunately drawn away from home 16 times out of a possible 29.
3) Have drawn WBSLR 10 times out of a possible 29.
4) Have drawn Non-SL Rabble 11 times out of a possible 29.
5) Have drawn French Surrender Monkeys twice (UTC and Pia).
6) Have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times out of a possible 26 (Once at home, 5 times away).
Wigan were drawn at home 45% of the time and away from home 55% of the time.
Leeds were drawn at home 69% of the time and away from home 31% of the time.
Wigan have drawn serious SL opposition 6 times, once at home, 5 times away from home.
Leeds have drawn serious SL opposition 5 times, 5 times at home, never away from home.'"
Anyone would think the cup draws are a game of chance, akin to balls randomly being pulled out of a hat...
Oh, wait.
All these 'stats' prove nothing to some degree - it just proves that teams got who they got. Not that there is an agenda in favour of, or against any team. If you look for 'coin toss probability' in maths, it is this in action. In theory, in say 30 cup draws, you'd expect to be drawn at home roughly about 15 times each, though there is a probable range either way so iy may be 17/13 for or 12/18 against. As it comes out much more in favour of one, say 2 at home, 28 against, or drawn to a then that is statisticlly more rare and improbable, but not impossible as each drawn is a new, random draw with a 50/50% chance of being drawn at home (or away). The more times you are in the bag to be drawn out, with time, the more it will get closer to 50/50.
See this link and have a go yourself;
www.basic-mathematics.com/coin-t ... ility.html
Do it say 30 times each and i bet some of you may get lop-sided results but (in theory) the majority should get closer to 50/50.
Incidentally i just did it and it ended 15/15.
All this 'conspiracy' stuff is boring me now - there is no conspiracy or favouritism or anything like that. It is pure chance and with such things, some teams have more chance than others with regard to certain things - Leeds more home games, Wigan more away but apparently 'easier' teams... | |
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| Quote ="Old Feller"I thought the games were to be played on Saturday or Sunday, Friday not an option.
Yorks are away to Lancs on Friday in the T20 so not an issue for the ground.'"
According to [url=http://www.rugbyleagueontv.co.uk/THIS SOURCE[/url, the schedule is as follows...
Quarter Finals (BBC Have 1st and 3rd Pick / Sky Have 2nd and 4th Pick)
Thu 5 June 8:00pm Challenge Cup 1/4 Final Match TBC LIVE Kick Off 8:00pm -
Fri 6 June 8:00pm Challenge Cup 1/4 Final Match TBC LIVE Kick Off 8:00pm -
Sat 7 June 2:00pm Challenge Cup 1/4 Final Match TBC LIVE Kick Off 2:30pm -
Sun 8 June 3:00pm Challenge Cup 1/4 Final Match TBC LIVE Kick Off 3:15pm -
Assuming the BBC select Wigan/Cas as their 1st pick, it'll be played Sat or Sun.
Sky will probably then select Bradford/Warrington to be played on Thu or Fri.
Which game will the BBC select as their 3rd pick? Leeds/Leigh? Or Widnes/Keighley? If they select Leeds/Leigh, it'll be played Sat or Sun. If they don't it'll be on Sky and played Thu or Fri.
Of course Sky may choose not to bother at all in the same way they didn't bother broadcasting a CC game in the 4th and 5th round, and if that turns out to be the case and Leeds/Leigh isn't selected by the BBC as their 1st or 3rd pick, then Leeds and Leigh are free to organise a kick-off date and time to suit themselves. |
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Quote ="Jamie101"Anyone would think the cup draws are a game of chance, akin to balls randomly being pulled out of a hat...
Oh, wait.
All these 'stats' prove nothing to some degree - it just proves that teams got who they got. Not that there is an agenda in favour of, or against any team. If you look for 'coin toss probability' in maths, it is this in action. In theory, in say 30 cup draws, you'd expect to be drawn at home roughly about 15 times each, though there is a probable range either way so iy may be 17/13 for or 12/18 against. As it comes out much more in favour of one, say 2 at home, 28 against, or drawn to a then that is statisticlly more rare and improbable, but not impossible as each drawn is a new, random draw with a 50/50% chance of being drawn at home (or away). The more times you are in the bag to be drawn out, with time, the more it will get closer to 50/50.
See this link and have a go yourself;
www.basic-mathematics.com/coin-t ... ility.html
Do it say 30 times each and i bet some of you may get lop-sided results but (in theory) the majority should get closer to 50/50.
Incidentally i just did it and it ended 15/15.
All this 'conspiracy' stuff is boring me now - there is no conspiracy or favouritism or anything like that. It is pure chance and with such things, some teams have more chance than others with regard to certain things - Leeds more home games, Wigan more away but apparently 'easier' teams...'"
Exactly, the draws are random. I don't believe in the "6 V 9" ball conspiracy that was doing the rounds after the previous CC draw, nor do I believe Leeds have suffered an unlucky run in CC draws and it's about time they drew non-SL opposition. |
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Quote ="Jamie101"Anyone would think the cup draws are a game of chance, akin to balls randomly being pulled out of a hat...
Oh, wait.
All these 'stats' prove nothing to some degree - it just proves that teams got who they got. Not that there is an agenda in favour of, or against any team. If you look for 'coin toss probability' in maths, it is this in action. In theory, in say 30 cup draws, you'd expect to be drawn at home roughly about 15 times each, though there is a probable range either way so iy may be 17/13 for or 12/18 against. As it comes out much more in favour of one, say 2 at home, 28 against, or drawn to a then that is statisticlly more rare and improbable, but not impossible as each drawn is a new, random draw with a 50/50% chance of being drawn at home (or away). The more times you are in the bag to be drawn out, with time, the more it will get closer to 50/50.
See this link and have a go yourself;
www.basic-mathematics.com/coin-t ... ility.html
Do it say 30 times each and i bet some of you may get lop-sided results but (in theory) the majority should get closer to 50/50.
Incidentally i just did it and it ended 15/15.
All this 'conspiracy' stuff is boring me now - there is no conspiracy or favouritism or anything like that. It is pure chance and with such things, some teams have more chance than others with regard to certain things - Leeds more home games, Wigan more away but apparently 'easier' teams...'"
Exactly, the draws are random. I don't believe in the "6 V 9" ball conspiracy that was doing the rounds after the previous CC draw, nor do I believe Leeds have suffered an unlucky run in CC draws and it's about time they drew non-SL opposition. | |
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| Quote ="William Eve" nor do I believe Leeds have suffered an unlucky run in CC draws and it's about time they drew non-SL opposition.'"
This season alone we have had to play SL opposition in Wakey and Saints - what's not to believe? It was unlucky. Random, but unlucky. It is nice for us to get the chance to rest a few. |
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Arguably you make it easier for yourself in drawing the best teams - only one can go through so if it is your team, then many of your main rivals will have gone. I'd rather us beat the likes of Saints and Wigan get Cas as they are the sorts of teams that have a chance of winning it.
Much rather that than ending up with semis of say; Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Wolves / Cas.
As long as we aren't the Friday game (i can't make it), all will be fine!
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"What cannot be denied is that Wigan got a cake walk run to the final last year, including the final itself as it turned out'"
In the 5th round last season, they drew away from home the team who had knocked St Helens out in the previous round, though yes... I do agree they took advantage of a favourable CC draw last season. The same could not be said for Leeds in 2011 who failed to take advantage when presented with a very easybeat WBSLR route all the way to the Final itself and still required extra time to dispose of Castleford in the Semis.
Quote ="Biff Tannen"and have had a cushy run so far this year (how much of a test Castleford will turn out to be in a couple of months time we will see). Most posters, including myself, have questioned ( in jest mainly) the outrageous run of luck Wigan are having but thats all it is, the good old luck of the draw.'"
Of course it's all about the good old luck of the draw and making the best of random opportunities which present themselves. Perhaps Leeds require a tougher assignment involving lots of away draws in order to succeed in the competition? Their 69% home draw percentage over the past decade hasn't yet delivered the bacon. |
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| Quote ="William Eve"Exactly, =#FF0000the draws are random. I don't believe in the "6 V 9" ball conspiracy that was doing the rounds after the previous CC draw, nor do I believe Leeds have suffered an unlucky run in CC draws and it's about time they drew non-SL opposition.'"
...and this is where your argument falls down. We all know about how the RFL fix the draws - some balls in the freezer, some on the radiator and others left at room temperature.
It's just that Robinson got a little confused and instead of pulling a cold ball, pulled one at room temperature, this feckked up the entire process - FACT.
Wigan were supposed to play Keighley at home while we were supposed to play Warrington away.
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