Basically you are suggesting that we beat them at their own game. That is how Australian teams have been playing since the late 70s, although I accept they have made some distinct changes to the way they set up offensively. You have to disrupt their rhythm and give them more to worry about than playing the percentages and the only way to do that is by being very aggressive in defence and playing on the very edges of the law.

I got to be quite good friends with a couple of the 94 kangaroo tour members. They couldn't have given a monkeys about how structured and controlled we could be but, Barry McDermott frightened the out of them (by their own admission).

Still, explain what you mean by rough them up? Take a leaf out of ben westwood's book and play russian roulette with the officials? Ask harrison hansen for technique advice? How happy are you with that on a moral level?

If england want to get stuck into australia the best way they can do that is to engineer good territory and fire up in defence when australia are trying to work the ball away from the own line, remember leeds in the 2nd half of the 2008 WCC?

Any team is vulnerable to disciplined, hard hitting defence when they are trying to work the ball up from deep in their own half.

That is pretty much what I'm talking about. Being aggressive, does not mean transgressing the laws of the game.

If you look at the defeats they have suffered to the kiwis in the recent past, they have been disrupted by aggressive NZ defence, we need to replicate that enthusiasm.

So the best way to do that is by being disciplined, completing sets and trying to get australia coming off their own line, over and over again.

Recognise that England can't play the same tired old players year in and year out. Wigan showed the way against Warrington by playing a younger, fitter, more mobile team.

Thankfully Ellis has retired and Morley wasn't picked.
Hock is a liability

Sinfield, Burrow, Westwood, Ablett, Chase etc - these guys have been found wanting in the past. Experience is overrated, especially if it is losing experience.

The team has to be fit and mobile with a basic simple game plan - even then in all honesty, they only have a slight chance.

Ablett has not even played again Australia, where does o'loughlin fit in with this logic?

Notice Greg Eastwood is in the NZ squad.

I hope he'll be ok in this strange country for a few weeks.

He should be the first name on the teamsheet.

I know Wigan fans have an inflated opinion of this most ordinary of players (Sinfield without a kicking game), but picking him at full back is a leap even for them.

Carl Ablett has been a great player for Leeds, just not international class.

Sean O Loughlin is the best forward in Super League - so I guess you'd want him in your team - if fit.

What measurement have you used to determine he is not international class?

O'Loughlin wouldn't even be in the squad for me, nowhere near best forward in Super League. Just as failed in internationals as any other individual also.

I think you missed the word loose off there.

If failure against the aussies was a criteria for dropping players, I don't think we'd get a team out

That wasnt the point though, he has failed against Australia yet the rules dont apply.

How about this? He's a second row right?

Farrell/Hock/Westwood/Kirmond/JJB/Wilkin/Bateman/Ferres/Westerman - are all better. He gets in the squad because he can play centre better than all of the above.

O'Loughlin is the best player in the best team in Super League. Sorry I had to spell it out for you. (I didn't really want to do that as it could be miscontrued as disrespectful)

No, he's also a loose forward and a centre, and a damn site better loose than O'Loughlin. Sorry I had to spell that out for you. (I didn't really want to do that as it could be misconstrued as disrespectful).

Least with Ablett you'll see some line breaks and some attacking options.

Haha..."nurse - the screens please..."

Haha...."You should have gone to specsavers"

Ablett has had a good season, but he's not in the same league as O'loughlin as a loose forward. When asked at the awards night who he thought should have been MOS Jamie Peacock had no hesitation in saying "Lockers, I voted for him"

Jeff Lima says Lockers is the best player he has ever played with and would walk into any Aussie side. Pat Richards said something very similar at the Wigan end of season dinner on Sunday night.

Someone's clearly still sauced from Saturday.

Yes I guess mine are cherry and white and yours are blue and gold.

Perhaps we will agree to disagree. You say that Carl Ablett is a better Loose Forward than Sean O'Loughlin.

Given that it is one of the key positions in the team I wonder why Carl has never been chosen to play Loose Forward for England, perhaps you are seeing something through your specs that no-one else in the Rugby League world (including 99% of Leeds fans) sees

If Peacock voted for him, it will have been to aid his own chances of winning MOS. It was an absolute joke of the award that O'Loughlin was even a nominee on that list, considering the amount of game time he has had.

Jeff Lima may well have said that, but probably 4 years ago, and considering the brain on that guy that really isn't much of an endorsement.

Ablett is very much in the same league as O'Loughlin, only a much more devastating runner, and better handling skills.

Well the fact that Ablett is a wide running 2nd row and not a LF might have something to do with it.

Speaking of whom will play LF for England, I think Sam Burgess is nailed on for that position.

I could say I also wonder why, but then again I just realise that there has hardly been many internationals since Ablett put himself in the frame, and probably that being the reason.

I should also point out I am not suggesting Ablett for Loose for England in the world cup, that should be Burgess. I am mearly pointing out, that I think there is better than O'Loughlin. It isn't a Wigan thing either, I just don't think he is all that.

I always thought that a good LF should combine running hard like a prop with passing like a half back. O'Loughlin is the only candidate who combines those skills.

As I say again - the best player in the best team in Super League.