Genuinely made me laugh out loud that did.

Not sure why when it happens to be true.



I fear SmokeyTA may have mis-interpreted a comment I made further up that page. If so I can confirm Keith wasn't the poster I had in mind.

(You'll know when the poster I had in mind sees it as he'll explain he was mistaken and has corrected that view several times since.)

Correct.

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No need for any apologies



You'll be too busy removing that nail from your head no doubt.

Nobody was really to blame for the player getting in to that position, it is part and parcel of the game. Making the second effort Tomkins deliberately made isnt.

Feel free to locate any post where i stated you did?

Thats a very interesting straw man

Just watched the JJB tackle again and in my opinion there was absolutely nothing Tomkins could do once he had made the tackle. There is no second push as Smokey has claimed, McIllorum quickly pushes JJB backwards trapping Tomkins under JJB. If McIllorum was aware of what he was doing then HE is the one who should be on the end of criticism. Lockers tries to lift MM off JJB but it almost looks like he doesn't want to get up! Tomkins did absolutely nothing wrong.

there clearly is a second effort on the shot from behind. It is clear.

im not sure why Wigan fans are so keen to find a none existent offence from one of their other players to try and protect Tomkins from criticism. Its a bit strange.

You don't need to pretend that your latest fog-knitting exercise somehow increases your leverage.

It doesn't.

Only when it's been set alight and smoked out.

You may require water to douse those remaining insignificant flames of yours

You may think taking the man not the ball helps your argument.

It doesn't.

just stating the facts

The interesting thing about stuff you make up is that no matter how many times you repeat it it remains made up.


It's your obsession with Tomkins that is strange! Why are you so keen to blame Tomkins for something somebody else did? Tomkins was trapped under JJB, he had no control over the pressure anybody else put on JJB. You seem unable to take the defeat with the grace that most of your fellow fans have. This obsession with Tomkins and finding something to moan about can't be good for you. Having said that you are so entertaining!

I did. As a response to anything it's cringeworthy.

The JJB tackle is a difficult one to call because only the players involved will know if there was any intent, what's indisputable is that JJB ended up in a very dangerous position and when that occurs the tacklers are responsible, so like it or not they are all, Tomkins included, at fault for that. I'm a bit surprised that more hasn't been made of his deliberate kick at JJB's face in the first half, Smith's on Finch in the second half was wreckless, but he was lashing out trying to regain his feet and couldn't see, whereas Tomkins could see JJB and deliberately tried to kick him in the face. If that's not a sin binning or red card offence then I really don't know what is.

All that aside, and ignoring the fact that I thought he was a bit lucky to get MOM ahead of McIllorum, he is a superb player and the longer he stays in Super League the better.

your being abit harsh on jjb here i know he has a MASSIVE head and jaw but i dont think it goes all the way down to hes chest! it was stupid what sam did but every other ref would of called the penalty long before as jjb kept pushing hes legs down so he couldn't get up. also he didnt kick him in the face or even in the chest it was more him pushing out to get up and he hit him on hes chest. but leeds have big form of kicking players in the head senior on tomkins i remember, and last night fair enough smith may have not seen finch but when your swining and kicking you feet up in the air like that your asking for trouble.

i think its just cautions all round from redhall.

be interesting to see if anything happens to bailey from striking with hes head on gelling the open hand.

Actually connecting, I would imagine.

He certainly generates a lot of 'discussion' our Sam doesn't he...? At this rates he might even challenge Bailey's thread

Not exactly 'big form' even if you had remembered the Lee Smith one on Phil Bailey in the Final Eliminator at Headingley in 2008.

Lets not pretend it's a common practice at any club, it occassionally happens and it's usually after the defender transgresses first.

I seem to recall Burrow being on the end of one at the DW last season also but I'll try not to imply Wigan are becoming noted for it.

oh dear...

well no i dont think your team plans to do it either do wigan it just happens its sport, i was more trying to point out its not just leeds players it happens to.

like i said cautions should be enough for both players.

50

"but I couldn't care less........as we scored 50 tonight"

It's not a school playground lad.

Didn't Sinfield kick out at Danny Kirmond earlier this season but nowt gets said but when it happens to Leeds it's a different story.

tomkins is a petulant little tw@. Bit like a talented danny maguire